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RIP Paul Walker Dead at 40: Fast and the Furious Actor Dies In Car Accident

Old 12-01-15, 11:43 AM
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All the in-car nannys won't overcome physics and poor application. Car tech has come a long ways to making them safer for sure. They have yet to attain 100% for the wild conditions drivers find themselves. The engineers can't account for every level of lameness that people put themselves. The lawyers will be happy to argue every detail down to how tight a fastener needs to be. In the end, +1 with Dave600hL.
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Old 12-01-15, 11:58 AM
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One Porsche Carrera GT design engineer to another Porsche Carrera GT design engineer "shouldn't we include ESC, breakaway fuel line and side-door reinforcements with the car for liability purposes?"

Other Porsche design engineer, "NEIN! das ist gut!".
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Originally Posted by Dave600hL
And , he is on a race track pushing its limits. No tress, no poles, nothing but open space. That was done in good judgment.

Roger Rodas was driving on the street and used bad judgement IMO. This is a very tragic accident but, I guess his perceived abilities were not what he thought doing whatever maneuver he was doing at the time.
hearsay but weren't the tires a couple of years past recommended use-by date?
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Old 12-01-15, 06:07 PM
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hearsay but weren't the tires a couple of years past recommended use-by date?
If that is the case, the responsibility to keep the car road worthy is up to the driver, NOT the manufacture.
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Originally Posted by Dave600hL
If that is the case, the responsibility to keep the car road worthy is up to the driver, NOT the manufacture.
Absolutely true, and I think that was actually the point that EyeSF was trying to make.
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Originally Posted by EyeSF
hearsay but weren't the tires a couple of years past recommended use-by date?

not an issue IMO, more of an issue was not heating the tires up before aggressive driving..... would it have made a difference? who knows.

but again, shouldn't have been doing driving like this on public streets.
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Originally Posted by geko29
Absolutely true, and I think that was actually the point that EyeSF was trying to make.
My bad, I didn't see that.
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Default Paul Walker's daughter wins $10.1M in crash settlement from Rodas estate

I know there's a thread on this somewhere, couldn't find it tho...??

The daughter of Paul Walker has won a $10.1 million settlement from the estate of Roger Rodas, who was behind the wheel of the Porsche in which both men died in November 2013.

Jeff Milam, the attorney for 17-year-old Meadow Walker, told TMZ.com that while Rodas was partially responsible for the crash, while not "directing the car through any particularly unsafe maneuvers when it went out of control."

The settlement between Walker and the Rodas estate was finalized in November 2014 but remained undisclosed until this week.

"Through his estate, Mr. Rodas, the driver of the car, took partial responsibility for the crash," Milas said in a statement to USA TODAY. "Meadow's lawsuit against Porsche AG – a $13 billion corporation – intends to hold the company responsibly for producing a vehicle that was defective and caused Paul Walker's death."

He said the money would be placed in a trust for Meadow Walker, but that it only covers "a fraction of what her father would have earned had his life not been tragically cut short."

He added that he and his client intend to continue their lawsuit against Porsche AG in Los Angeles Superior Court, despite the fact that a federal judge dismissed a similar case brought by Rodas' widow Kristine earlier this week. She had claimed the accident was the result of a suspension failure and the lack of key safety features on her husband's 2005 Carrera GT.

"Plaintiff has provided no competent evidence that Rodas' death occurred as a result of any wrongdoing on the part of defendant," U.S. District Judge Philip S. Gutierrez Gutierrez wrote.

Both Walker, 40, and Rodas, 38, died at the scene after the Porsche hit a concrete pole and several trees while traveling 80-93 miles per hour in a 45-mph zone in Valencia, Calif. A 2014 inquiry cited the speed and the car's seldom-used, 9-year-old tires as the primary factors in the fatal crash. Both men's bodies were severely burned.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/p...ment/82788984/

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Judge: Porsche not at fault in crash that killed Paul Walker

LOS ANGELES — The widow of the man who was driving the Porsche that crashed and killed actor Paul Walker cannot prove the carmaker is responsible for the accident, a federal judge ruled Monday.

There was not enough evidence in Kristine Rodas' claims that her husband died because the Porsche Carrera GT he was driving lacked several key safety features, U.S. District Judge Philip S. Gutierrez said in his ruling.

He said there was no evidence the Porsche's suspension failed before the crash, as Rodas' lawsuit claimed. She also had alleged the rare sports car lacked a crash cage and fuel cell.

"Plaintiff has provided no competent evidence that Rodas' death occurred as a result of any wrongdoing on the part of defendant," Gutierrez wrote.

Walker, 40 at his death, was riding in the Carrera GT driven by his friend Roger Rodas when the car spun out of control, struck three trees and burst into flames on a street in Santa Clarita, Calif., in November 2013. Walker was on a break from filming the seventh installment of the Fast & Furious franchise when he died.

The ruling has no bearing on two other cases against Porsche filed by Walker's 17-year-old daughter Meadow and his father, which are both pending in Los Angeles Superior Court.

Jeff Milam, Meadow Walker's lawyer, issued a statement saying her lawsuit is different from Rodas' suit because Rodas was killed instantly in the crash and Walker was not.

"He survived the crash but was trapped and burned to death because of the vehicle's defects," Milam said."A significant portion of the judge's decision (in the Rodas case) was based on his rejection of evidence because of missed deadlines and also a failure to sue Porsche AG, the manufacturer. Meadow will continue the fight to hold Porsche accountable for selling a defective product that kills."

Porsche has denied wrongdoing in the design, manufacture or marketing of the Carrera GT. The company also contended in the lawsuit by Walker's daughter that the car had been altered and improperly maintained and that those factors contributed to the crash.

An investigation by the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and California Highway Patrol concluded that unsafe speed, not mechanical problems, caused the crash. Investigators said the Porsche was going up to 94 mph when it crashed.

Engineers from Porsche, who evaluated the wreckage of the rare car, helped in the investigation.

All the cases against Porsche contend the car was going much slower before it spun out of control. The Walkers' suits say the vehicle was traveling between 63 and 71 mph.

Kristine Rodas sued over the crash in May 2014. Her attorney, Mark Geragos, said Tuesday that the ruling will be appealed.

The judge faulted Rodas' expert for initially relying on an analysis of tire marks taken a month and a half after the fatal crash rather than photos investigators took at the scene.

After Walker's death, his two brothers helped complete action scenes in Furious 7, which earned more than $1.5 billion globally when it was released in April 2015.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/m...lker/82664630/

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thanks for the update. the thread was in clubhouse by the way. i moved it back to car chat.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
thanks for the update. the thread was in clubhouse by the way. i moved it back to car chat.
ahhh, I shoulda searched there too....thanks.
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