Fort Hood Shooter kills 12 (Malik Nadal Hasan) - Page 2

alexulan · 11-06-09, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jimxo

Amen

I could see this quickly moving to the debate forum.

If you don't want to get deployed you should not have signed up.

These people took an oath.

A lot of people are Christians or Jews first. It doesn't mean that they should not have strong opinions.

A lot of people are against the wars.

It should not mean a free section 8 out of your commitments.

He got a free Medical degree on behalf of Uncle Sam and now was wussing out on helping his felow Americans when and where they most needed his help.

What a scum bag.

goelise · 11-06-09, 07:19 PM

True that, I hope this gunman gets hung for the crimes he committed. The punishment unfortunately will never match the terrible crimes. Hang 'em I say.

No more analysis, no more trying to reason why, he did the crime now pay for it.

To the soldiers who unselfishly serves this country and gives up so much so guys like me can enjoy freedom - "Thank You" and to those soldiers who were victimized in this coward's act - "Rest In Peace".

4TehNguyen · 11-06-09, 08:19 PM

here is the brave woman who stopped the attack:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6907235.ece

badpinoy · 11-06-09, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by alexulan

I could see this quickly moving to the debate forum.

If you don't want to get deployed you should not have signed up.

These people took an oath.

A lot of people are Christians or Jews first. It doesn't mean that they should not have strong opinions.

A lot of people are against the wars.

It should not mean a free section 8 out of your commitments.

He got a free Medical degree on behalf of Uncle Sam and now was wussing out on helping his felow Americans when and where they most needed his help.

What a scum bag.

i don't understand it. usually people are against the wall because you will be put into situations where you have to take another life.

he wasn't drafted. he went into the army knowing fully that he could be called to defend his country.

4TehNguyen · 11-06-09, 09:33 PM

Hasan's weapon was an FN FiveSeven

malujerry · 11-07-09, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jimxo

I would not serve next to these people they can't be trusted.

who are these people? it seems like he deceived plenty

montgb · 11-07-09, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bitkahuna

despite the President saying "don't jump to conclusions," it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out if what has been said so far about him is true. he was a devout Muslim VERY bitter about the U.S. involvement in Iraq, and was scheduled to be deployed to Afghanistan, and really really didn't want to go. he'd told many of his strongly held views, and he'd cleaned out his apartment before going to Ft. Hood to do the shoot 'em up, probably wanting to go out as a martyr.

the military should keep an eye out for ANY with strongly held views AGAINST that same military, and THROW THEM OUT.

Another theory was that he was traumatized by seeing the range of injuries that returning servicemen suffered (the same men he counseled), and snapped when he found out that he was being deployed to the warzone.

Hopefully we'll find out when he comes out of the coma. I do worry about the backlash against the American Muslim community, the majority of whom love the USA. But at the same time, this individual is not worthy of mercy.

montgb · 11-07-09, 07:16 AM

The Washington Post wrote an article about possible motives behind Hasan's killing spree. Seems more and more likely that it was a combination of misplaced religious ideology, stress, and a reclusive/loner personality.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

CDNROCKIES · 11-07-09, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by montgb

Another theory was that he was traumatized by seeing the range of injuries that returning servicemen suffered (the same men he counseled), and snapped when he found out that he was being deployed to the warzone.

Hopefully we'll find out when he comes out of the coma. I do worry about the backlash against the American Muslim community, the majority of whom love the USA. But at the same time, this individual is not worthy of mercy.

Can you imagine the discipline it must have taken to show him mercy already? If you were the next police officer or MP on the scene after she had wounded him, wouldn't you have ended him on the spot? It takes someone with extremely strong conviction not to cross that line.

MRxSLAYx · 11-07-09, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CDNROCKIES

Can you imagine the discipline it must have taken to show him mercy already? If you were the next police officer or MP on the scene after she had wounded him, wouldn't you have ended him on the spot? It takes someone with extremely strong conviction not to cross that line.

I agree 100%. I have so much respect for military personal that being at the scene would most likely anger me to the point of no return.

I have many friends and family that have served and are currently serving and it just brings goosebumps to know that precious lives were lost like this. We all know that serving your country dosnt mean being attacked on your home soil by fellow military personnel. I hope this man receives the harshest sentences.

Lil4X · 11-07-09, 08:56 AM

War in any age is an incredibly traumatizing experience for even the most grounded individual. We can read stories of PTSD in the annals of Rome, Carthage, even the Norman Conquest. It is not new, but recent generations in seeking explanations and treatments for it have often come up with a series of excuses rather than solutions.

We, the children of the 20th Century, are perhaps the most insulated against the realities of bloodshed. We may be the first of our kind to have never witnessed death firsthand. We have never had to take a life, and we are ill-prepared for the flood of emotions that come with the experience. In so many ways, that's a GOOD thing. We are growing and evolving in our humanity.

For that reason, it is shocking to see the damage combat can do to the human body - and mind. While it is far to early to draw conclusions, we can speculate on some of the motivation for Malik Nadal Hasan's emotional break.

He was an isolated loner, typical of many serial killers from the UT tower to Columbine and WVA. We have a loser whose education was not a brilliant one, who had been in trouble before, and seemed to blame his failure partially on the Army who had put him through many years of schooling and internship at tremendous expense, for which there seemed to be no reward. Psychiatrists and psychologists don't often get the closure of "curing" patients, in many instances they take on the troubles of their patients in order to mirror back their feelings during therapy, but are not able to throw off that mantel when the session is over.

Hasan began to retreat into his Muslim identity, likely because he related to the victims of the violence he learned second-hand in the wards. He seems to have swung from an observer to a participant in the drama as he combined some unresolved conflict between his culture and his job. Then he was cut from the team at Walter Reed, his incubator for so many years. It appears that he was not a successful doctor, and based on his performance reports he was "dropped" to the manpower pool. As if this wasn't enough blow to his self-image, he was transferred to Fort Hood, slated for deployment to Iraq. His internal issues with the war began to gain strength from his own fear of going into a combat situation, despite the fact that he would never see "front-line" duty.

From there, the profile gets pretty hazy. We don't know just how his professional failure, his fear, and his faith interacted to produce a crazed killer, but I believe that they were all components of the tragedy. An isolated personality, submerged in a caseload of severely traumatized individuals, is rejected by his peers and scheduled for deployment. In recent years he began a retreat into his faith, not for comfort or understanding, but as an excuse, a coping mechanism for his failure, rather than a way out.

How and why he concluded that taking lives was an appropriate response we will probably never know. At this point, it appears to be a case of "suicide by cop", in which he began his murderous rampage in hope that he would be killed. Most of these cases involve physical cowards that are unable to resolve their problems and see suicide as their only solution. Because they are cowards, they are unable to take their own lives, but rely on the flood of adrenalin produced by killing others to brace them for the inevitable conclusion.

It is a deeply sad end. One shared by shooters from UT to WVA, and thousands before and since. We desperately need more people to pay more attention to their friends and co-workers. Short of gang-tackling them and tossing them into a psych ward, we need people to take notice and talk to these troubled loners. It seems that what Malik Nadal Hasan needed most was a friend. Amid all of the tragedy at Fort Hood, he was not just the killer, in many ways he is a victim too.

4TehNguyen · 11-07-09, 11:23 AM

'Tough cookie' Sgt. Kimberly Munley took down Fort Hood gunman, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...dal_malik.html

UDel · 11-07-09, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen

Hasan's weapon was an FN FiveSeven

I think they said he had two guns and one was a 9mm. I was kind of surprised when I heard one of his weapons was a FN FiveSeven as it is a expensive rare gun in a unique caliber. If the FN was the only gun used even though it was tragic it may have been worse and there could have been a larger amount of people dead if Hasan had used a larger caliber pistol. It appears most people shot with the FiveSeven survived where with the Virginia Tech shooting many more people end up dying from the 9mm and 22cal pistols used.

montgb · 11-07-09, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CDNROCKIES

Can you imagine the discipline it must have taken to show him mercy already? If you were the next police officer or MP on the scene after she had wounded him, wouldn't you have ended him on the spot? It takes someone with extremely strong conviction not to cross that line.

Well, he did get shot 4 times. I doubt they were shooting to wound.

I think it's dumb luck that he survived, but at least we hopefully get an explanation now.

CDNROCKIES · 11-07-09, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by montgb

Well, he did get shot 4 times. I doubt they were shooting to wound.

I think it's dumb luck that he survived, but at least we hopefully get an explanation now.

What I meant was....if you were the police officer or MP that walked up to him after he killed all those soldiers and shot a policewoman....it would take an extraordinary amount of willpower not to just finish him off. I'm not sure I would have the same conviction if placed in the same situation.

Even though he was badly wounded, it showed great restraint and morals for the arresting individuals not to execute him on the spot.