google android phones - coming on strong! - Page 5

TunedRX300 · 10-23-09, 08:15 PM

We are discussing about Smartphones, if one wants a mass market phone that does SMS and voice, there are tons of phones below $50 in China and India. You are more than welcome to get one of those, no need to buy $500 iPhone or HTC Magic.

The definition of Smartphone is it has an open O/S to enable users to install third party apps. Apple does not have a Smartphone until second year of the initial launch because 1) iPhone OS-X was not open 2) What SDK, 3rd party apps? Good luck to install a 3rd party ring-tone!

But all that is forgotten when Apps Store and SDK came out in the 2nd year of iPhone launch. "Apple invented the App Store" said Steve Jobs, and all iPhone users say "OMG, I am going to die for it! " Apple turned up the advertising machine "There is an app for that" as if innovations from others are encouraged. The truth to developers is "there is 100 apps for that" and no one can make $ when there is so many competitors, only beneficiary is the iTunes/App Store platform owner Apple.

Android is open source from day 1, SDK is available to developer before the first device is commercially available, comparing # of apps to # of devices ratio, Android Market blows App Store out of water because of Google's openness and far more supporting of developers. More importantly, innovation do not come from developers who are selling >300 farting apps and suddenly realize it is 1850 and what they sell is fool's gold

O. L. T. · 10-23-09, 10:23 PM

Oh that big bad Android, stealing $60 a day from Apple sales. http://www.mediabistro.com/mobilecon...ath_129908.asp

TunedRX300 · 10-23-09, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by O. L. T.

Oh that big bad Android, stealing $60 a day from Apple sales. http://www.mediabistro.com/mobilecon...ath_129908.asp

And how much is that $13K a day iFart app fetch TODAY after 300 more clone farting apps, most of them forced to sell free or $0.99?

Which answers who benefits the most from App Store success: Apple and the very few developers who made and STAYS at top 10. 99.9% software developers find themselves losing money because it is 1850. The gold rush is meant to benefit those who sells shovel and jeans, because that is the way Apple set it up - Apple occupies 90% of the eco-system, basically takes in all profit and the platform of iPhone.

It is a double edge sword, innovations and growth of iPhone SW, HW, content, even silicon components are all depending on Apple and Apple only. Steve Jobs is a genius but so are Sergey Brin, Larry Page, Andy Rubin, Peter Chou, Sanjay Jha, Rich Templeton, Paul Jacobs, and other CEOs and thousands of developers in the entire Android eco-system. Industry analysts happen to put forecast where their reasons are. We will see in 2011 when volume # come in.

O. L. T. · 10-23-09, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TunedRX300

And how much is that $13K a day iFart app fetch TODAY after 300 more clone farting apps, most of them forced to sell free or $0.99?

ehhh that article was written a month ago, not last year. So, it probably does pretty damn good TODAY.

That fart app was (believe it or not) intelligently designed with features the other ones that are failing do not have.

llamaboiz · 10-24-09, 01:05 AM

you know what this thread reminds me of? bmw fanboys, when a lexus beats a bmw in a race you get the bmw fanboys coming and being all uppity... well now were talking about android and all the iphone fanboys start getting uppity

So if i make a thread about vanilla ice cream will the chocolate fanboys show up too?

O. L. T. · 10-24-09, 01:13 AM

Don't you be dissin' vanilla ice cream.

Rashoodz · 10-24-09, 01:15 AM

llamaboiz, you need a Vertu

Lil4X · 10-24-09, 08:49 AM

^^ Engadget said it for me re: the Vertu: "all you're really looking at here is a pretty anonymous featurephone wrapped up in high-end garb, but you're not spending your $10,500 on features here -- you're spending it because you're too lazy and rich to buy something good."

Rashoodz · 10-24-09, 09:58 AM

^ I know that, that's why its successful here in Dubai -_-

ExTrEmE99 · 10-24-09, 10:02 AM

If i could afford it, i'd buy a vertu just to say i got a 2k phone with 24 hour concierge service

But i have the poor man's Vertu with the 8801/8800

ExTrEmE99 · 10-24-09, 10:43 AM

I know a few developers who refuse to make applications for Android and iPhone... I call them stupid for having a personal vendetta against the companies, because without developing for these two growing platforms they will never make money..

bitkahuna · 10-24-09, 10:43 AM

someone said this is pc vs. mac all over again, except the 'pc', or rather 'windows' is the android o.s. microsoft could well get shut out this time, by google. THAT's the big story here.

maybe the iphone is slicker as was a mac in the beginning vs. windows 3, but the distribution and # of pc brands overwhelms the mac in sales #'s.

i would be interested to know if android's doing anything in asia, and for that matter, iphone? because that's the big battleground, not the 'small' u.s. market.

TunedRX300 · 10-24-09, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bitkahuna

someone said this is pc vs. mac all over again, except the 'pc', or rather 'windows' is the android o.s. microsoft could well get shut out this time, by google. THAT's the big story here.

maybe the iphone is slicker as was a mac in the beginning vs. windows 3, but the distribution and # of pc brands overwhelms the mac in sales #'s.

i would be interested to know if android's doing anything in asia, and for that matter, iphone? because that's the big battleground, not the 'small' u.s. market.

China Mobile, the world's largest GSM carriers with 503M subscribers and 5.3M net additions in September, has its own Android variant called Ophone. China Mobile is a member of Open Handset Alliance and promoting its own Open Mobile System for TD-SCDMA 3G Smartphones.

It is not the PC vs. Mac because there is no race if one wants to speak about volume and market share. Plus it is never appropriate to compare hardware vs. software. For the nth time, I don't see iPhone fans here compare iPhone OS-X vs Android vs. Symbian vs. Windows Mobile. <- This is what Gartner is forecasting. Apparently it get all lost when Steve Jobs worshipping get better of the emotion

bitkahuna · 10-24-09, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TunedRX300

It is not the PC vs. Mac because there is no race if one wants to speak about volume and market share.

you mean worldwide, asia, or the u.s., or?? are you saying android has already 'won'?

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Plus it is never appropriate to compare hardware vs. software. For the nth time, I don't see iPhone fans here compare iPhone OS-X vs Android vs. Symbian vs. Windows Mobile. <- This is what Gartner is forecasting. Apparently it get all lost when Steve Jobs worshipping get better of the emotion

regardless, i think it's exactly like pc/windows vs. mac.

pc - lots of brands, one o.s. from microsoft
mac - proprietary hardware and o.s., from one vendor

android phones - lots of brands, one o.s. from google
iphone - proprietary hardware and o.s., from one vendor

TunedRX300 · 10-24-09, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bitkahuna

you mean worldwide, asia, or the u.s., or?? are you saying android has already 'won'?

What I meant is Windows vs. Mac in the PC space. Does not matter if one uses market share, volume, or presence in emerging segment (netbooks), there is no battle no matter how much Apple fans want to make it a battle. The need for Apple to spend marketing $ for "Mac vs. PC" commercials is a self manifested weakness - if your O/S have the market share/volume/presence, why do you need to spend $ to tell everyone?

No one wants MSFT's dominance to take place in mobile, that is why there are so many mobile O/S. No one wants INTC's stranglehold and bullying of smaller CPU competitors in mobile, that is why there are so many silicon providers.

It is not exactly Windows vs. Mac because neither Android or OS-X is close to market shares held by #1 mobile O/S Symbian or #2 RIM O/S. Plus there are many small O/S playing crucial roles both in proprietary, open architecture, and open source: e.g. LiMo in open source, Web O/S in closed, WM in open architecture. Macro environment is also different, PC is a mature industry where Smartphone is the fastest growing segment in mobile phone space, which itself is a 10x larger industry by volume (over PC). In addition, x86 is not the only CPU architecture in town, ARM has 80% market share and ARM don't build chips or care to build consumer brand awareness. ARM license out its architecture and does not have even have a direct to consumer presence.

In short there is no "WinTel" model in Smartphone to capture 95% of the profit of the value chain and left everyone else scrapping for crumbs.
In mobile, there are more players, different dynamics, diverse business models (advertising/licensing/device sales), and not one O/S dominants in a faster growing Smartphone space.