google android phones - coming on strong! - Page 2

buchum · 10-10-09, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TunedRX300

SW: Android is open source. Google does not restrict apps on Android Market. OS update is over the air (no USB cable needed)
HW: Multiple OEMs from HTC (G1, Magic), Motorola (Cliq), Samsung (Moment), to Dell

iPhone is good, but Apple will never license OX-S or iTunes out, much less making it open source. Apple will never loose control on approving apps on Apps Store. Apple will never let another device maker to make smartphones based on iPhone core hardware technologies.

Overall user experience on G1 is not as good as iPhone. Major flaw is lack of MS Outlook support. But the HTC now supports Outlook in some markets with G2/Magic.

As good as Apple, innovations and growth usually come from many instead of one, over the long run, and it does not depend on the liver condition of Steve Jobs.

Exactly!

lol

ExTrEmE99 · 10-10-09, 12:30 PM

How open Android anyways... I've owned the G1 and the HTC magic, The G1 was horrible IMO i only kept the phone for a few weeks but i kept the htc magic for a whole 2 Months!

Thats very long for me. I switch phones every other week it seems like. But as a developer how open do you see the OS because i know they arent 100% open source. They do limit things and try to control certain aspects. Which is why htc does not have google branding on their phones, they customize the kernal for their own "UI".

I think anything that can be done with the iphone can be done with Android and vis versa. Rooting the phone is just like jailbreaking the phone, but iPhone Dev's has dumbed it down for their customers.

Motorola has a great phone coming out, but the specs are just like the t-mobile mytouch/G1 WEAK proccessor, and memory. IMO the best thing i ever tried was the hero. The Senses UI is the best ive seen for android and gave the phone great core applications as well as ease to use.

Android has a long ways to go, and i think they need to move quicker but they are moving ahead. I hope Motorola revises the model for Rogers in Canada so i can pick up the model

(i.e: 528+mhz 512/512mb) but i really think Android needs at least 700mhz and 1GB to run the OS smoothly.

1SICKLEX · 10-10-09, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Habious

I thought the Blackberry Storm was the next iPhone killer...no wait...that was the Palm Pre...no wait...

TunedRX300 · 10-11-09, 10:26 PM

Google allows OEMs to build their own UI on top of Android O/S. I think this is what users care since no one is geek enough to care about nuts and bolts of underlining O/S.

It took a while for Android to get significant uptake because G1 is just a development device. Many developers won't build apps unless there is a smartphone based on the market. In addition, many OEMs took time to innovate and differentiate on UI and apps. For example, Motorola announced MotoBlur together with Cliq one month ago. HTC recently announced Sense when HTC Hero, the 3rd Android phone from the Taiwanese OEM.

I played Samsung Moments with its 3.2-inch AMOLED, feel is not a slick as HTC Magic. Cliq screen is too small, can't assess the social networking/messaging focusing UI until I will own it for couple of days.

iPhone is still the UI leader, Android has more potential from many developers, from many device makers, because Google takes a different approach than Apple: no restriction on apps and let users sort out good apps and bad ones.

O. L. T. · 10-11-09, 10:53 PM

Nothing is going to overtake the iphone. I'm not being smug, I'll tell you why.

#1- if the competition can't get the product, they can't make the phone. Apple has AGAIN for the second time caused a GLOBAL shortage in flash memory. I'm not talking the $10 SD card at walmart, I'm talking high end arm processors. Processors that are twice as big as the G1,
pre, or any other smartphone use.... which leads me to #2.

#2- The G1 has HALF the memory, HALF the processor, HALF the speed of the iPhone. Guess what is happening in june of this year just like June of every year?

64gb 3GS iPhones launching with again upgraded batteries and processors. Google can't build the phone to compete, because Apple owns all the high end flash processors! They caused a global shortage TWICE now and the prices are going up 20% on memory from supply/demand.

Quote:

http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-news...age-again.html

Demand for NAND flash memory exceeded supply by more than 1% in the third quarter of 2009, according to DRAMeXchange, and is predicted to increase in Q4 due to increased production for the holiday season.

As reported in DigiTimes, the memory shortage is being largely attributed to Apple's appetite for the memory modules. Apple had also been blamed for flash shortages earlier this year, before introducing new flash-based iPods, including the 64GB iPod touch and the 5th generation 8- and 16GB iPod nano.

The shortages are expected to continue for some time: according to the report, supply will only grow by 79 percent in the year to come, while demand is predicted to increase by 81 percent.

Predictably, prices are also surging with the decreased availability. "Contract prices for mainstream 16GB and 32GB MLC NAND flash chips rose 7-8% and 8-14%, respectively, to average US$4.98 and US$7.68 in the first half of October, according to DRAMeXchange data," the DigiTimes report said. "The 64GB segment also saw a price rally of 6-13% to US$14.50 on average."

So besides the fact that nobody else can GET those arm processors in enough quantity except apple, besides the fact that nobody else runs processors that BIG in their smartphones, besides the fact apple is building the sexiest hardware on the planet to look at, hold and feel...... The fact of the matter is they own 78% of the MP3 player market and are pounding so fast through the smartphone numbers they don't even give percentages anymore, and are "the king" of smartphones in every single newspaper story, internet clipping, and review anywhere on the internet because they simply have it locked down.

There's nothing that can come out right now that can compete with the app store, the itunes store, the iphone, or any of the software engineers on the planet that are trying to produce software that looks as good or works as good as the iphone OS X firmware on a silky smooth touch screen that literally flows in your hands like water. Unlike the choppy tap, tap, tap of windows mobile or the stuttering android.

It just isn't going to happen. Nobody has the hardware (apple bought it all), nobody has the software (OS X may be restrictive, but it is clearly the most polished), and nobody has the "stars in their eyes" (ohhh people do love them some iphone) like Apple has. The haters just have to step back and enjoy the show because the only thing that is going to take apple of their mark is themselves, and it could happen the way Steve runs things.

TunedRX300 · 10-12-09, 12:19 AM

Apple tuned down the Samsung processor to 600Mhz because of heat generation issue.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/...e-iphone-3g-s/
It is on par with Qualcomm MSM7201a, which has its computing core running 528Mhz. The other DSP core on the processor is running 400Mhz to handle multimedia.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/specification.html

Upcoming HTC Dragon will feature a 1GHz processor with 800x480 display, and 720p full HD encode and decode if HTC implement it on the design.
http://htcpedia.com/news/htc-dragon-...z-android.html

FLASH memory is not an issue since most buy a 16GB or 8GB MicroSD cheap and pop it in the phone, or just use the one they already bought for other phones.

Innovative Apps are coming to Android for a reason, because Google woo developers and third party partners to Android

Bar code scanner and comparasion shopping was available one year ago on the first Android phone (only possible with iPhone 3GS in June this year because previous models lack auto-focus camera)
Augmented Reality such as Layar merges the real and virtual worlds http://thenextweb.com/2009/09/22/lay...ented-reality/
FLASH support, WM, Android, Symbian will support FLASH because it is the standard of the Internet. Apple does not want to support it (Adobe said it publicly they are knocking repeatedly on Apple's door but got a cold response), Apple wants to prompt its own QuickTime.

Apple is its own enemy, don't know why Steve Jobs choose a 2MP camera w/o auto focus to start iPhone 2G design with, 2.5G modem is not a good choice as users want 3G for their expensive high end smartphones. Lack of GPS in the first generation iPhone hampers it as a LBS platform. Apple addressed these weakness in later products releases, but it shows iPhone has flaws like any other smartphone.

As I said, Google (I don't work for them) takes a different approach: open instead of closed. Its goal is to enable others to build phones and don't plan to have a strangle hold from the HW, SW, UI, and apps to restrict innovation. The product that Android competes is not hardwares from Apple, Blackberry, or Nokia , it is OS-X, Windows Mobile, Symbian, RIM O/S.

Steve Jobs is a genius, but he is as vulnerable as any mortal human being (e.g. his liver transplant, cancerous condition now surfaced twice). I don't know how long can Apple count on him to deliver innovative designs when his physical conditions are limited. Words on the street is Steve Jobs is a micro-manager or even a jerk to work with (take nothing away from his accomplishment but just his attitude/ego is notorious in the valley), which does not make it easier for him or those who work for him.

tmf2004 · 10-12-09, 05:47 PM

"Android will leapfrog the iPhone in 2012"..

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/57664

acnup00tl · 10-12-09, 10:01 PM

By the time some phone dethrones the Iphone , Steve Jobs will already have the next Killer Iphone out. There is a reason why Apples stock has gone up 100% in the last 3 years, The Iphone and Macbooks. I have played with these so called competitor phones ,and they are not even close to the Iphone.

nthach · 10-12-09, 10:12 PM

i'll happily take a underclocked iPhone over a BlackBerry Storm or ANY VZW POS that is choking its Qualcomm SOC chipset by taxing it with the duties of baseband, running the phone, and running anything in the background. Verizon's HTC phones, the BlackBerry Storm/Tour and the Hollister crowd-oriented LG enV Touch all use the same Qualcomm MSM75xx chipset, which has shown itself to be major flop on HTC's part.

bitkahuna · 10-12-09, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tmf2004

"Android will leapfrog the iPhone in 2012"..

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/57664

yeah that's the article link i gave in my post starting the thread.

TokerIS350 · 10-12-09, 11:21 PM

i myself have the g2
loving it
great battery
android market kicks ass
cameras decent

tmf2004 · 10-12-09, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TokerIS350

i myself have the g2
loving it
great battery
android market kicks ass
cameras decent

MT3G Black...

Milla... · 10-13-09, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tmf2004

"Android will leapfrog the iPhone in 2012"..

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/57664

By then it wont matter because it would be the end of the world.

TunedRX300 · 10-13-09, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by nthach

i'll happily take a underclocked iPhone over a BlackBerry Storm or ANY VZW POS that is choking its Qualcomm SOC chipset by taxing it with the duties of baseband, running the phone, and running anything in the background. Verizon's HTC phones, the BlackBerry Storm/Tour and the Hollister crowd-oriented LG enV Touch all use the same Qualcomm MSM75xx chipset, which has shown itself to be major flop on HTC's part.

You meant iPhone achieve the performance by skipping multi-tasking?
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2343380,00.asp
Symbian, Android, WM, BB O/S all do multitasking, certainly more taxing to the host processor for obvious reasons.

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Apple's inability to deliver multitasking to the iPhone platform no longer seemed inconsequential, and I began to ponder why Apple is leaving out this crucial element. Could it be one of these reasons:

Battery Life: While background tasks are desirable on one level, they'd most certainly mean a battery-life hit. Apple protects battery life on the iPhone like a mother lion protects its cubs. Critics could latch onto diminished battery life and that's likely a risk Apple doesn't want to take.

Architecture: Maybe the OS simply can't handle multitasking without a full-scale rearchitecture. Since this OS is relatively new, though, this seems unlikely.

Not Important: Apple got the iPhone this far without cut, copy, and paste. Yes, it's in 3.0, but I doubt anyone would have walked away from the platform en masse without it. Apple may figure that it'll add multitasking when it's good and ready. This may be the most plausible reason, since I noticed that many of the media analysts I talked to after the Apple event were split on the importance of multitasking on the iPhone platform.

ExTrEmE99 · 10-13-09, 09:20 AM

I'll tell you why they skipped Multi tasking at the moment, They dont like how it drains the battery quicker. They like having all 700mhz for each application(thus making each app open/run/close very quickly).

I bet they will release it soon, but if you look at android. Their hardware can barely handle multi tasking. I for one had to use advance task manager every hour or so to close apps because they drained the battery kind of quickly.

Android is growing, and hopefully the hardware will grow with it.