which lower ball joints to buy?
02-02-12, 12:59 PM
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which lower ball joints to buy?
okay so im in the market to buying the front daizen front poly urethane bushing kit and while I'm at it I'm going to change out my front lower ball joints and outer tie rods...so my question is what is the difference from the daizen ones and the moog brands? i know the best way would to go with original lexus parts but I'm not going to pay an arm and leg if the quality from moog or daizen are the same? which ones should i get? thanks
02-03-12, 10:43 AM
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Not trying to start a argument, but please explain why he would be happier if you don't mind. Moog is a quality part, made in Japan and much cheaper, with years of outstanding reviews to back up their quality claim. The OEM part has issues with quality control and breaks much to frequent, more expensive...I even read a recent post where someone stated that their new OEM lbj broke AGAIN after two years. There are NO documents/TSB anywhere from Lexus owning to the problems and trying to fix or create more durable part from 98-05...even though they had issues with this since 93.
So, why would you say that he will be happier with the OEM part. If it's OEM or nothing, he might as well stick with OEM bushings too right? For most parts, I will try to get OEM, but I won't pay a premium price for a part with a known steel quality problem. Must be using China steel lol.
So, why would you say that he will be happier with the OEM part. If it's OEM or nothing, he might as well stick with OEM bushings too right? For most parts, I will try to get OEM, but I won't pay a premium price for a part with a known steel quality problem. Must be using China steel lol.
02-03-12, 11:03 AM
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MOOG all day... But that's only my opinion which ain't *****...
I've had all moog's on my past bagged trucks that commonly broke oem joints.. Hopping 4-5000lbs and locking up/maxing out ball joint limits daily with 10"-12" of control arm travel, moog has long been the strongest available brand that is a stock 'press in replacement' and not some form of heim/uniball/superpivot joint. They are the standard brand for the whole truckin world, they don't call them 'problem solvers' for nothing...
Yet the OEM toyota joints are breaking with like 2" of travel on a passenger car with normal driving??
But yeah, for the most part CL defiantly has a hardon for OEM or the highway... Makes lots of sense for some things, but to me it does not make sense for the problematic front lower ball joint...
I saw a stock GS on the side of the freeway couple weeks ago with a broke joint. I can even think of the last time I ever saw a different model random car on the side of the road with a broke bj.....
I've had all moog's on my past bagged trucks that commonly broke oem joints.. Hopping 4-5000lbs and locking up/maxing out ball joint limits daily with 10"-12" of control arm travel, moog has long been the strongest available brand that is a stock 'press in replacement' and not some form of heim/uniball/superpivot joint. They are the standard brand for the whole truckin world, they don't call them 'problem solvers' for nothing...
Yet the OEM toyota joints are breaking with like 2" of travel on a passenger car with normal driving??
But yeah, for the most part CL defiantly has a hardon for OEM or the highway... Makes lots of sense for some things, but to me it does not make sense for the problematic front lower ball joint...
I saw a stock GS on the side of the freeway couple weeks ago with a broke joint. I can even think of the last time I ever saw a different model random car on the side of the road with a broke bj.....
02-03-12, 11:16 AM
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MOOG all day... But that's only my opinion which ain't *****...
I've had all moog's on my past bagged trucks that commonly broke oem joints.. Hopping 4-5000lbs and locking up/maxing out ball joint limits daily with 10"-12" of control arm travel, moog has long been the strongest available brand that is a stock 'press in replacement' and not some form of heim/uniball/superpivot joint. They are the standard brand for the whole truckin world, they don't call them 'problem solvers' for nothing...
Yet the OEM toyota joints are breaking with like 2" of travel on a passenger car with normal driving??
But yeah, for the most part CL defiantly has a hardon for OEM or the highway... Makes lots of sense for some things, but to me it does not make sense for the problematic front lower ball joint...
I saw a stock GS on the side of the freeway couple weeks ago with a broke joint. I can even think of the last time I ever saw a different model random car on the side of the road with a broke bj.....
I've had all moog's on my past bagged trucks that commonly broke oem joints.. Hopping 4-5000lbs and locking up/maxing out ball joint limits daily with 10"-12" of control arm travel, moog has long been the strongest available brand that is a stock 'press in replacement' and not some form of heim/uniball/superpivot joint. They are the standard brand for the whole truckin world, they don't call them 'problem solvers' for nothing...
Yet the OEM toyota joints are breaking with like 2" of travel on a passenger car with normal driving??
But yeah, for the most part CL defiantly has a hardon for OEM or the highway... Makes lots of sense for some things, but to me it does not make sense for the problematic front lower ball joint...
I saw a stock GS on the side of the freeway couple weeks ago with a broke joint. I can even think of the last time I ever saw a different model random car on the side of the road with a broke bj.....
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02-05-12, 08:03 PM
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+1 i def agree with this and 99GS3, moog makes quality products and they last a lot longer than most OEM parts, at least in my experience.
02-05-12, 09:45 PM
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Did we already have this conversation about Daizen
I had received email from Daizen Authorized Dealer, And they clearly stated that they can't no longer receive partsss from Daizen.
probably busted the E-commerce.
Here are you best bet. You can forget about TM Engineering, and here http://www.daizensporttuning.com/menu/dealers.html
http://lexus.sewellparts.com/accesso...2001/4685.html
http://lexus.sewellparts.com/accesso...2001/4558.html
http://www.l-tunedparts.com/product/?id=3322
http://prothane.com/vehicle-applications/
probably busted the E-commerce.Here are you best bet. You can forget about TM Engineering, and here http://www.daizensporttuning.com/menu/dealers.html
http://lexus.sewellparts.com/accesso...2001/4685.html
http://lexus.sewellparts.com/accesso...2001/4558.html
http://www.l-tunedparts.com/product/?id=3322
http://prothane.com/vehicle-applications/
Last edited by GS714; 02-07-12 at 08:03 PM. Reason: additional infos spelling
02-06-12, 02:47 AM
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Not trying to start a argument, but please explain why he would be happier if you don't mind. Moog is a quality part, made in Japan and much cheaper, with years of outstanding reviews to back up their quality claim. The OEM part has issues with quality control and breaks much to frequent, more expensive...I even read a recent post where someone stated that their new OEM lbj broke AGAIN after two years. There are NO documents/TSB anywhere from Lexus owning to the problems and trying to fix or create more durable part from 98-05...even though they had issues with this since 93.
So, why would you say that he will be happier with the OEM part. If it's OEM or nothing, he might as well stick with OEM bushings too right? For most parts, I will try to get OEM, but I won't pay a premium price for a part with a known steel quality problem. Must be using China steel lol.
So, why would you say that he will be happier with the OEM part. If it's OEM or nothing, he might as well stick with OEM bushings too right? For most parts, I will try to get OEM, but I won't pay a premium price for a part with a known steel quality problem. Must be using China steel lol.
02-06-12, 03:35 PM
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O.e.m
Original (Contracted Manufacturer to meet minimum customer's specification)
Equipment (Engineered to maximize Profitability Ratio)
Manufacturering (Cheapest labor and the lowest raw material cost)
Still considering OEM.
Equipment (Engineered to maximize Profitability Ratio)
Manufacturering (Cheapest labor and the lowest raw material cost)
Still considering OEM.
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lol awesome!
