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Coil overs... straight up, nothing else.
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Thinking of going on air
#1
Mortgage Slave
Thread Starter
Thinking of going on air
Hello CL folk,
The plan was always to go for coil over suspension.
However, the more I look into it, I've been having naughty thoughts of installing air ride onto my Soarer instead, reason being...
1. Although my car is turbo, I don't really drive it hard.
2. My driveway SUCKS...
3. Possibility next year that my Soarer is going to be a weekend special
Now that I've gotten that outta the way, I've seen guys go both ways, however I'm still tossing up the idea of how I'm going to go about it. Also, mounting of the compressor and air tank are of big importance as well since I want to be able to maximise my boot space with the tank etc. installed.
The system that seems to be the go are either:
1. Air strut, i.e. using an OEM style shock absorber with a bag of sorts around the shock.
2. Go for coil overs and wedge the cup between the coil spring and the upper mount with all the necessary hardware, ala Roberuta style.
Option 1
I was thinking of getting KYB or Koni Yellow's (Supra specific) with the air bag strapped to it (not sure if the Supra upper mount is required as well, will have a look into it). Or keep the OEM strut for the mean time until I find a replacement that is compatible with my TEMS (kinda like an OEM EDFC).
Option 2
If I was to go the coil over w/cup, I was planning on getting something such as the JIC FLT-FAS or TEIN Super Street. In this case I'm not sure if the spring rate still plays a major part in the ride comfort though.
The question is, which would you guys recommend if I was to go the air ride route? I'm not looking for a fast system, I'm just looking for something to allow me to lift the car when absolutely need it (i.e. going into my driveway and up onto hoists).
The plan was always to go for coil over suspension.
However, the more I look into it, I've been having naughty thoughts of installing air ride onto my Soarer instead, reason being...
1. Although my car is turbo, I don't really drive it hard.
2. My driveway SUCKS...
3. Possibility next year that my Soarer is going to be a weekend special
Now that I've gotten that outta the way, I've seen guys go both ways, however I'm still tossing up the idea of how I'm going to go about it. Also, mounting of the compressor and air tank are of big importance as well since I want to be able to maximise my boot space with the tank etc. installed.
The system that seems to be the go are either:
1. Air strut, i.e. using an OEM style shock absorber with a bag of sorts around the shock.
2. Go for coil overs and wedge the cup between the coil spring and the upper mount with all the necessary hardware, ala Roberuta style.
Option 1
I was thinking of getting KYB or Koni Yellow's (Supra specific) with the air bag strapped to it (not sure if the Supra upper mount is required as well, will have a look into it). Or keep the OEM strut for the mean time until I find a replacement that is compatible with my TEMS (kinda like an OEM EDFC).
Option 2
If I was to go the coil over w/cup, I was planning on getting something such as the JIC FLT-FAS or TEIN Super Street. In this case I'm not sure if the spring rate still plays a major part in the ride comfort though.
The question is, which would you guys recommend if I was to go the air ride route? I'm not looking for a fast system, I'm just looking for something to allow me to lift the car when absolutely need it (i.e. going into my driveway and up onto hoists).
#2
Lead Lap
iTrader: (7)
The speed is determined by line size...
Air Runner uses 1/8" lines, pretty slow...
I use 3/8" but plan to change to 1/4" in my 2nd version...
Either would be perfect for on the go adjustments to clear steep driveways and what not...
Coilover route is the way to go, comfort depends on how much air you run in your bags. Too little = bouncy, too much = super stiff...
PM me if you need more help...
Tony
Air Runner uses 1/8" lines, pretty slow...
I use 3/8" but plan to change to 1/4" in my 2nd version...
Either would be perfect for on the go adjustments to clear steep driveways and what not...
Coilover route is the way to go, comfort depends on how much air you run in your bags. Too little = bouncy, too much = super stiff...
PM me if you need more help...
Tony
#3
I was in your shoes not so long ago. I wen't with the UAS / KYB setup. As for line size, you can always use dump/fill control valves.. so if you want to run it slow for daily, or fast for that weekend showoff, you can always adjust on the fly.
#4
After having the Tein CS/UAS Bag combo for ~7months I could not be happier with this setup. I bought the entire kit from universal air, 5 gallon and all. I would change/go with some different components for optimum trunk(boot) space.
When I get around to redoing the tank/compressor setup I am going to go with a 4 gallon easy street tank to mount in the spare tire well. I will mount the compressors in the empty rear fender space as there is plenty of room to fit two compressors in each fender without the cd changer,
I am truly satisfied with the ride. Stiffness only means filling up the bags. I wont say its a great track setup but for your driving style, it should be fine. I am going turbo next, and will not regret the handling/ride with the bag setup.
I have 1/2" lines, but there is no need to go bigger than 3/8"...1/4" is perfect for our rides
Here is a pic of the first trunk setup(unfinished)
Maybe fit a set of Golf Clubs behind it, but thats it.
And the Spare Tire well with valves etc.
Will clean this up and mount the easy street 4 gal. in the spare tire well
How it sits today...
When I get around to redoing the tank/compressor setup I am going to go with a 4 gallon easy street tank to mount in the spare tire well. I will mount the compressors in the empty rear fender space as there is plenty of room to fit two compressors in each fender without the cd changer,
I am truly satisfied with the ride. Stiffness only means filling up the bags. I wont say its a great track setup but for your driving style, it should be fine. I am going turbo next, and will not regret the handling/ride with the bag setup.
I have 1/2" lines, but there is no need to go bigger than 3/8"...1/4" is perfect for our rides
Here is a pic of the first trunk setup(unfinished)
Maybe fit a set of Golf Clubs behind it, but thats it.
And the Spare Tire well with valves etc.
Will clean this up and mount the easy street 4 gal. in the spare tire well
How it sits today...
Last edited by BeanTWNSC3; 12-30-07 at 05:10 PM.
#6
Mortgage Slave
Thread Starter
Cheers for the info guys.
From what I've gathered so far, the only option to go for (choosing bag etc) is the one that slips over the strut type (whether coil over or standard strut), so at least that is outta the way. Say (for example) if I went for bags (just to go on struts, for now), can the bags be removed and put on coil overs? If not that's fine as well
Bean, is your stuff in the trunk bolted down?! It looks like it's just sitting on the floor.
From what I've gathered so far, the only option to go for (choosing bag etc) is the one that slips over the strut type (whether coil over or standard strut), so at least that is outta the way. Say (for example) if I went for bags (just to go on struts, for now), can the bags be removed and put on coil overs? If not that's fine as well
Bean, is your stuff in the trunk bolted down?! It looks like it's just sitting on the floor.
#7
Thanks, I have Daizen Bushing throughout the entire car and front Cusco strut tower bar, my body roll is non existent when I drive around slammed, but the ride quality goes out the window.
BLK, Yes, all the valve components are bolted down into the spare tire well. That pic was test fitting, to make sure i had clearance. The piece of MDF board under the Tank and Compressors is bolted down through the carpet with two small bolts. But I did line the entire bottom of the spare tire well, and trunk with B-QUIET(http://www.b-quiet.com/?googleads) to prevent the droning of the compressors and to create a tighter fit.
Bean, is your stuff in the trunk bolted down?! It looks like it's just sitting on the floor.
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#8
Sorry forgot that question...Yes you can use the bags over a set of coilovers down the line if need be. You will NOT be able to sit as low as Mine or Tony's(ACLEANSC4) Car at all without going over to coilovers, unless some modifications are made to the KYB or stock spring perches.
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After having the Tein CS/UAS Bag combo for ~7months I could not be happier with this setup. I bought the entire kit from universal air, 5 gallon and all. I would change/go with some different components for optimum trunk(boot) space.
When I get around to redoing the tank/compressor setup I am going to go with a 4 gallon easy street tank to mount in the spare tire well. I will mount the compressors in the empty rear fender space as there is plenty of room to fit two compressors in each fender without the cd changer,
I am truly satisfied with the ride. Stiffness only means filling up the bags. I wont say its a great track setup but for your driving style, it should be fine. I am going turbo next, and will not regret the handling/ride with the bag setup.
I have 1/2" lines, but there is no need to go bigger than 3/8"...1/4" is perfect for our rides
Here is a pic of the first trunk setup(unfinished)
Maybe fit a set of Golf Clubs behind it, but thats it.
And the Spare Tire well with valves etc.
Will clean this up and mount the easy street 4 gal. in the spare tire well
How it sits today...
When I get around to redoing the tank/compressor setup I am going to go with a 4 gallon easy street tank to mount in the spare tire well. I will mount the compressors in the empty rear fender space as there is plenty of room to fit two compressors in each fender without the cd changer,
I am truly satisfied with the ride. Stiffness only means filling up the bags. I wont say its a great track setup but for your driving style, it should be fine. I am going turbo next, and will not regret the handling/ride with the bag setup.
I have 1/2" lines, but there is no need to go bigger than 3/8"...1/4" is perfect for our rides
Here is a pic of the first trunk setup(unfinished)
Maybe fit a set of Golf Clubs behind it, but thats it.
And the Spare Tire well with valves etc.
Will clean this up and mount the easy street 4 gal. in the spare tire well
How it sits today...
Do the sport bags go in place of the spring on the coilover? The bor down the center looks so big in pictures and did you use there bearing plates?
#15
Yes the Aerosport Bags, go in place of the coil springs. I did use the plates provided by UAS to bolt the bags onto the coilover.
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