Daizen GS front control arm bushings - review thread (final)
Bushing
08-25-05, 06:17 PM
#32
Originally Posted by Neo
It has been awhile since I've looked but I think parts will be near the $100+ mark. The labor , however, will be the part that will make you go 
. I think it is in the 4-500 range.
. I think it is in the 4-500 range.Neo is right, that's the downside, for those unfamiliar with poly bushings the upside in addition to firmer feel no matter how you drive they should outlive your GS.
Last edited by Indio; 08-26-05 at 12:28 AM.
08-25-05, 10:42 PM
#36
Pole Position
need diagram/photos to understand
I'm very interested in purchasing a set since it sounds like it'll improve driving feel and handling but I'm still a bit fuzzy as to WHAT exactly I'm buyiing.
Perhaps Todd or some kind suspension expert could post up a diagram or photo of the underside of a 2nd gen GS with clear labelling of the castor arms and other parts of the suspension and also point out(with arrows) where the replacement polyurethane bushings will go.
I think all of us desire better suspension but what holds us back is the fact that most of us don't live near to any mechanics who possess the expertise of Todd or TM--- so we would need to have clear installation diagrams either to refer to ourselves(for the DIYers),or to show our local suspension shops when approaching them to install these new bushings.
Perhaps Todd or some kind suspension expert could post up a diagram or photo of the underside of a 2nd gen GS with clear labelling of the castor arms and other parts of the suspension and also point out(with arrows) where the replacement polyurethane bushings will go.
I think all of us desire better suspension but what holds us back is the fact that most of us don't live near to any mechanics who possess the expertise of Todd or TM--- so we would need to have clear installation diagrams either to refer to ourselves(for the DIYers),or to show our local suspension shops when approaching them to install these new bushings.
08-26-05, 01:04 AM
#37
Originally Posted by Neo
It has been awhile since I've looked but I think parts will be near the $100+ mark. The labor , however, will be the part that will make you go . I think it is in the 4-500 range.
. I think it is in the 4-500 range.plus the biggest thing is after 50k miles, you will still be running strong
08-26-05, 01:06 AM
#38
Originally Posted by 3dog
Anyone know what date these will be available for sale.
Also is Daizen still working on the control arms and control arm bushing for the GS400
Thanks
Ivan
3dog
Also is Daizen still working on the control arms and control arm bushing for the GS400
Thanks
Ivan
3dog
08-26-05, 01:09 AM
#39
Originally Posted by natnut
I'm very interested in purchasing a set since it sounds like it'll improve driving feel and handling but I'm still a bit fuzzy as to WHAT exactly I'm buyiing.
Perhaps Todd or some kind suspension expert could post up a diagram or photo of the underside of a 2nd gen GS with clear labelling of the castor arms and other parts of the suspension and also point out(with arrows) where the replacement polyurethane bushings will go.
I think all of us desire better suspension but what holds us back is the fact that most of us don't live near to any mechanics who possess the expertise of Todd or TM--- so we would need to have clear installation diagrams either to refer to ourselves(for the DIYers),or to show our local suspension shops when approaching them to install these new bushings.
Perhaps Todd or some kind suspension expert could post up a diagram or photo of the underside of a 2nd gen GS with clear labelling of the castor arms and other parts of the suspension and also point out(with arrows) where the replacement polyurethane bushings will go.
I think all of us desire better suspension but what holds us back is the fact that most of us don't live near to any mechanics who possess the expertise of Todd or TM--- so we would need to have clear installation diagrams either to refer to ourselves(for the DIYers),or to show our local suspension shops when approaching them to install these new bushings.
i will see what i can do about the pics next time i am at tm engineering
08-26-05, 02:31 AM
#40
Pole Position
thanks in advance
Originally Posted by rominl
very nice idea there actually. i was all confused too and todd had to show me all the parts, how they were connected, etc... and our front suspension isn'a all that simple at all, it's a lot of moving parts and pretty complex.
i will see what i can do about the pics next time i am at tm engineering
i will see what i can do about the pics next time i am at tm engineering
Actual personal experience :
I bought the Daizen sway bars from TM engineering AND I want to say right upfront that I totally love them--good quality, improved cornering, no squeaks. The mechanic who installed them( an ex-Toyota senior mechanic) even said they were manufactured to racing specs--and he's a TRD distributor.
HOWEVER, it was a headache installing them. All GS Daizen sway bar owners who have done the installation will realise that the rear sway bar is longer than the stock factory one. Therefore, for the bar to fit, the rear end links need to to be rotated(unlike the stock sways) before they can accomodate the Daizen sway bar. This peculiarity is specific to Daizen sway bars for the 2nd gen GS model only.
Guess what :
the enclosed instructions and diagrams did not specifically point out this peculiarity.
Me and my mechanic stood in the sweltering tropical weather under my GS300 for the next 2 hrs trying get that darn bar to fit. Finally, I remembered seeing actual photos of the rear end link attaching to a Daizen sway posted on Clublexus. Immediately, we went to the nearest PC, did a forum search and finally dug up the appropriate message thread.
As they say, a picture > thousand words and based on that photo, we finally realised what we were doing wrong. Right now I have enjoyed a few thousand miles of trouble-free motoring on these sways that were installed with such difficulty.
From that experience, I learnt 3 things :
1 ) Daizen makes great quality products.
2 ) Clublexus is a goldmine of lexus information
3 ) Make damn sure you know how to install that expensive automotive part before shipping it , especially if your technical support base is located in North America
and you're 2 thousand miles away on the opposite side of the Pacific Ocean.
I would purchase Daizen products and/or order from TM engineering again without hesitation as I have confidence in their quality and research.
However, i ask that they be more forthcoming in making public their installation instructions/diagrams over the internet since a large part of their clientele depend on third party workshops for the installation of their products.
08-27-05, 07:12 PM
#42
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by natnut
I would purchase Daizen products and/or order from TM engineering again without hesitation as I have confidence in their quality and research.
However, i ask that they be more forthcoming in making public their installation instructions/diagrams over the internet since a large part of their clientele depend on third party workshops for the installation of their products.
However, i ask that they be more forthcoming in making public their installation instructions/diagrams over the internet since a large part of their clientele depend on third party workshops for the installation of their products.
There are no omissions from the instructions on what needs to be done.
08-29-05, 07:16 PM
#43
Will my local shop be able to replace these bushings
So will the shop I usually get things done at, be able to get the old bushings off and the new ones on?
It sounds like it is very difficult to get the old ones off.
Just curious, whatever happened to the Daizen replacement control arms?
Ivan
3dog
It sounds like it is very difficult to get the old ones off.
Just curious, whatever happened to the Daizen replacement control arms?
Ivan
3dog