BMW to Sell V-8s to Jaguar Land Rover
07-27-16, 10:53 AM
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BMW to Sell V-8s to Jaguar Land Rover
I-4 is the new V-6. As emissions and fuel consumption standards tighten, automakers have been downsizing engines across the board. While the 3.0-liter V-6 had been the baseline engine for premium automakers for years, that role belongs to the 2.0-liter inline four. That means the V-8 is fast becoming a specialty engine.
V-8s used to be relatively cost effective to produce, as they shared key pieces of hardware with V-6 engines. Now, as automakers look to apply that strategy to I-4s – upsizing the basic architecture to produce 3.0-liter I-6 engines and downsizing it to produce 1.5-liter I-3s – a new V-8 is now not only a tougher proposition from a regulatory perspective, but also more expensive to design and make.
This backdrop explains a deal being hammered out between BMW and Jaguar Land Rover whereby the Bavarians will supply an upgraded version of its
V-8s used to be relatively cost effective to produce, as they shared key pieces of hardware with V-6 engines. Now, as automakers look to apply that strategy to I-4s – upsizing the basic architecture to produce 3.0-liter I-6 engines and downsizing it to produce 1.5-liter I-3s – a new V-8 is now not only a tougher proposition from a regulatory perspective, but also more expensive to design and make.
This backdrop explains a deal being hammered out between BMW and Jaguar Land Rover whereby the Bavarians will supply an upgraded version of its
twin-turbo V-8 to the Brits for use in high-end Jaguar and Land Rover models. The current 4.4-liter BMW V-8 develops between 450 and 600 hp, depending on spec. A leaner, stronger, and torquier 4.0-liter variant is in the works, and it’s this engine that’s likely to appear in JLR vehicles.
At first glance, the deal would seem to favor JLR, which is developing I-6 and I-3 engines off the Ingenium I-4 architecture, and will ultimately need a new V-8 for its SVR Jaguars and Land Rovers. But decreasing demand and increasing costs means BMW has reached a point where it needs the added volume from a second player to make the business case for the V-8.
At first glance, the deal would seem to favor JLR, which is developing I-6 and I-3 engines off the Ingenium I-4 architecture, and will ultimately need a new V-8 for its SVR Jaguars and Land Rovers. But decreasing demand and increasing costs means BMW has reached a point where it needs the added volume from a second player to make the business case for the V-8.
http://www.automobilemag.com/news/bmw-sell-v-8s-jaguar-land-rover/
07-27-16, 02:57 PM
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^ Agreed, BMW's twin turbo V8 is an unreliable heap of crap. Factory issued a recall/special service campaign on the earlier cars with this engine that replaced 10 or 15 different items that were known to cause problems.
If they're wanting hot rod, high horsepower V8's for their cars and Range Roonies, go to GM and buy LS motors from them. Heck GM would probably even work with them and build it to their specs in terms of displacement, horsepower, etc. People have been swapping LS and SBC motors into Jags and Rovers for years, so just do us the favor and put them in there stock.
If they're wanting hot rod, high horsepower V8's for their cars and Range Roonies, go to GM and buy LS motors from them. Heck GM would probably even work with them and build it to their specs in terms of displacement, horsepower, etc. People have been swapping LS and SBC motors into Jags and Rovers for years, so just do us the favor and put them in there stock.
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07-27-16, 08:08 PM
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But Land Rover is familiar with BMW and the range of BMW engines, from the time when Land Rover (as part of the larger Rover Group) was owned by BMW.
Familiarity counts for a lot when it comes to selecting suppliers: "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't".
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Familiarity counts for a lot when it comes to selecting suppliers: "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't".
From 1994 to 2000, BMW owned Land Rover. A few models, including the Land Rover Range Rover, used BMW engines then and in the initial years of Ford's JLR stewardship. It seems things have now come full circle. BMW currently makes a twin-turbo 4.4 liter V8 that produces anywhere from 440 to 600 horsepower, depending on the application. Automobile says that a new 4.0 liter V8 is in the works and that it will most likely be the engine that JLR uses. Expect it to be more powerful, more fuel efficient, and lighter than what both BMW and JLR currently offer.
07-27-16, 08:33 PM
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But Land Rover is familiar with BMW and the range of BMW engines, from the time when Land Rover (as part of the larger Rover Group) was owned by BMW.
Familiarity counts for a lot when it comes to selecting suppliers: "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't".
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Familiarity counts for a lot when it comes to selecting suppliers: "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't".
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07-27-16, 10:20 PM
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i dont understand why they went ahead with this deal
Jag already has their own supercharged V8 that makes 510hp
they really needed some better offerings of 4 cyl with twin turbos that can do 250+hp to slot in under the V6 that current does 360hp
Jag already has their own supercharged V8 that makes 510hp
they really needed some better offerings of 4 cyl with twin turbos that can do 250+hp to slot in under the V6 that current does 360hp
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07-27-16, 11:02 PM
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The existing V8's probably won't meet future emissions and fuel economy regulations. That's my guess as to why they went with BMW to supply them, as I agree, their current V8 engines are pretty damn awesome.
07-27-16, 11:52 PM
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