Wait for the 2016 Lexus RX or 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit
04-02-15, 01:32 PM
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I'd believe that if I wasn't always receiving recall notices or seeing articles written about how poorly Jeeps are being built.
Personal experience, reading other's experiences on the Jeep forum, recall emails/letters, and a multitude of articles is too much evidence of problems with the brand for me to simply shrug it off as "early model issues."
OP seems more interested in what could be than he is in what will be. Buying the Jeep is a flat out gamble, pure and simple. But he doesn't want to have to wait 8 months (understandably) for an RX so its a risk he's willing to take. Unfortunately, when all the pretty glitter and lip stick wears off I fear he'll realized he's gotten married to a stripper.
Personal experience, reading other's experiences on the Jeep forum, recall emails/letters, and a multitude of articles is too much evidence of problems with the brand for me to simply shrug it off as "early model issues."
OP seems more interested in what could be than he is in what will be. Buying the Jeep is a flat out gamble, pure and simple. But he doesn't want to have to wait 8 months (understandably) for an RX so its a risk he's willing to take. Unfortunately, when all the pretty glitter and lip stick wears off I fear he'll realized he's gotten married to a stripper.
04-02-15, 02:58 PM
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Personal experience, reading other's experiences on the Jeep forum, recall emails/letters, and a multitude of articles is too much evidence of problems with the brand for me to simply shrug it off as "early model issues."
OP seems more interested in what could be than he is in what will be. Buying the Jeep is a flat out gamble, pure and simple. But he doesn't want to have to wait 8 months (understandably) for an RX so its a risk he's willing to take. Unfortunately, when all the pretty glitter and lip stick wears off I fear he'll realized he's gotten married to a stripper.
OP seems more interested in what could be than he is in what will be. Buying the Jeep is a flat out gamble, pure and simple. But he doesn't want to have to wait 8 months (understandably) for an RX so its a risk he's willing to take. Unfortunately, when all the pretty glitter and lip stick wears off I fear he'll realized he's gotten married to a stripper.
There is a CLEAR difference when reading posted problems between an early build 2014 and a late build 2014 or a 2015. There were also clear differences between 2011s, and 2012s and 2013s. When the 2014 just came out the forum was FULL of stories like yours...it was a real disaster. But...that has settled down big time. When I had my 2011 and it had problems I was one of the ones complaining and carrying on, and my 2014 (late build) has been great.
Reliability is a concern vs a Lexus, no doubt, but he's looking at a 15, I think he'll be fine.
04-02-15, 03:32 PM
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Now, what's the magic number of Jeeps I must own before I have a respectable amount of insight, exactly?
I don't know what all these recall notices you're getting are...I don't get them and I still own the truck. There was a recall for something with the wiring in the sun visor, there was a recall for the ACC programming, axle shafts but that was a very narrow build range. What else?
Originally Posted by http://www.cars.com/recalls/jeep/grand-cherokee/2014/
Recall Number: 14V643000Recall Date: 10/14/2014
Component: AIR BAGS
Problem Summary: Chrysler Group LLC (Chrysler) is recalling certain model year 2014 Dodge Durango vehicles manufactured June 2, 2013, to June 28, 2014, and 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee vehicles manufactured October 30, 2012, to April 30, 2014. Due to a fault within the Occupant Restraint Control (OCR) module, the frontal air bags, seat belt pretensioners, and side air bags may be disabled. The malfunction indicator light MIL should illuminate to initially warn drivers of a failure.
Consequence: If the frontal air bags, seat belt pretensioners, and side air bags are disabled, there is an increased risk of injury to the vehicle occupants in the event of a vehicle crash that necessitates use of the passive restraint system.
What Owners Should Do: Chrysler will notify owners, and dealers will replace the ORC module, free of charge. Chrysler issued an interim notification to owners on December 8, 2014. Owners may contact Chrysler customer service at 1-800-853-1403. Chrysler's number for this recall is P67.
Recall Number: 14V643000Recall Date: 10/14/2014
Component: SEAT BELTS
Problem Summary: Chrysler Group LLC (Chrysler) is recalling certain model year 2014 Dodge Durango vehicles manufactured June 2, 2013, to June 28, 2014, and 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee vehicles manufactured October 30, 2012, to April 30, 2014. Due to a fault within the Occupant Restraint Control (OCR) module, the frontal air bags, seat belt pretensioners, and side air bags may be disabled. The malfunction indicator light MIL should illuminate to initially warn drivers of a failure.
Consequence: If the frontal air bags, seat belt pretensioners, and side air bags are disabled, there is an increased risk of injury to the vehicle occupants in the event of a vehicle crash that necessitates use of the passive restraint system.
What Owners Should Do: Chrysler will notify owners, and dealers will replace the ORC module, free of charge. Chrysler issued an interim notification to owners on December 8, 2014. Owners may contact Chrysler customer service at 1-800-853-1403. Chrysler's number for this recall is P67.
Recall Number: 14V634000Recall Date: 10/08/2014
Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:ALTERNATOR/GENERATOR/REGULATOR
Problem Summary: Chrysler Group LLC (Chrysler) is recalling certain model year 2011-2014 Chrysler 300, Dodge Charger, Challenger, and Durango; and 2012-2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee vehicles manufactured April 22, 2010, to January 2, 2014, and equipped with a 3.6L engine and a 160 amp alternator. In the affected vehicles, the alternator may suddenly fail.
Consequence: If the alternator fails, the vehicle may stall without warning, increasing the risk of a crash.
What Owners Should Do: Chrysler is expected to begin notifying owners of this recall on November 28, 2014. The remedy for this recall campaign is still under development. Owners may contact Chrysler customer service at 1-800-853-1403. Chrysler's number for this recall is P60.
Recall Number: 14V636000Recall Date: 10/08/2014
Component: ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL
Problem Summary: Chrysler Group LLC (Chrysler) is recalling certain model year 2014 Dodge Durango, and Jeep Grand Cherokee vehicles manufactured October 3, 2013, to April 11, 2014. Due to an issue with the software for the Steering Column Control Module (SCCM), the Electronic Stability Control (ESC) may be disabled.
Consequence: If the ESC is disabled during certain driving situations, the driver may not be able to adequately control the vehicle, increasing the risk of a crash.
What Owners Should Do: Chrysler will notify owners, and dealers will update the SCCM software, free of charge. The recall began on November 24, 2014. Owners may contact Chrysler customer service at 1-800-853-1403. Chrysler's number for this recall is P64.
Recall Number: 14V391000Recall Date: 07/02/2014
Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:WIRING
Problem Summary: Chrysler Group LLC (Chrysler) is recalling certain model year 2011-2014 Dodge Durango and Jeep Grand Cherokee vehicles manufactured January 5, 2010, through December 11, 2013. In the affected vehicles, the wiring for the vanity lamp in the sun visor may short circuit, after a service repair is performed.
Consequence: If the vanity lamp wiring shorts, there is an increased risk of fire.
What Owners Should Do: Chrysler will notify owners, and dealers will inspect and repair any damaged wiring, and install a new sun visor that properly routes the wire, free of charge. Owners may contact Chrysler customer service at 1-800-853-1403. Chrysler's number for this recall is P36.
Recall Number: 14V293000Recall Date: 06/04/2014
Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL:ACCELERATOR PEDAL
Problem Summary: Chrysler Group LLC (Chrysler) is recalling certain model year 2014 Dodge Durango vehicles manufactured January 16, 2014 to April 8, 2014, Jeep Grand Cherokee vehicles manufactured January 16, 2014 to April 8, 2014, Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT vehicles manufactured February 3, 2014 to April 8, 2014, and Jeep Cherokee vehicles manufactured March 6, 2014 to April 17, 2014. When the adaptive cruise control is engaged and the driver presses the accelerator pedal to increase the vehicle's speed more than the cruise control system would on its own, the vehicle may continue to accelerate briefly after the accelerator pedal is released.
Consequence: The unintended continued acceleration may increase the risk of a crash.
What Owners Should Do: Chrysler will notify owners, and dealers will re-flash the Driver Assistance System Module (DASM), free of charge. The recall began in June 2014. Owners may contact Chrysler customer service at 1-800-853-1403. Chrysler's number for this recall is P31.
Recall Number: 14V293000Recall Date: 06/04/2014
Component: FORWARD COLLISION AVOIDANCE: ADAPTIVE CRUISE CONTROL
Problem Summary: Chrysler Group LLC (Chrysler) is recalling certain model year 2014 Dodge Durango vehicles manufactured January 16, 2014 to April 8, 2014, Jeep Grand Cherokee vehicles manufactured January 16, 2014 to April 8, 2014, Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT vehicles manufactured February 3, 2014 to April 8, 2014, and Jeep Cherokee vehicles manufactured March 6, 2014 to April 17, 2014. When the adaptive cruise control is engaged and the driver presses the accelerator pedal to increase the vehicle's speed more than the cruise control system would on its own, the vehicle may continue to accelerate briefly after the accelerator pedal is released.
Consequence: The unintended continued acceleration may increase the risk of a crash.
What Owners Should Do: Chrysler will notify owners, and dealers will re-flash the Driver Assistance System Module (DASM), free of charge. The recall began in June 2014. Owners may contact Chrysler customer service at 1-800-853-1403. Chrysler's number for this recall is P31.
Recall Number: 14V154000Recall Date: 04/01/2014
Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:POWER ASSIST:VACUUM
Problem Summary: CHRYSLER GROUP LLC (CHRYSLER) IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2011-2014 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE AND DODGE DURANGO VEHICLES MANUFACTURED FROM JANUARY 5, 2010, THROUGH SEPTEMBER 8, 2013. THE SUBJECT VEHICLES HAVE A BRAKE BOOSTER WITH A CENTER SHELL THAT MAY CORRODE AND ALLOW WATER TO GET INSIDE.
Consequence: THE WATER INSIDE COULD FREEZE AND LIMIT THE BRAKING ABILITY OF THE VEHICLE, INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.
What Owners Should Do: CHRYSLER WILL NOTIFY OWNERS, AND DEALERS WILL ADD A WATER DIVERTER SHIELD TO THE BOOSTER AFTER THE BOOSTER HAS BEEN TESTED TO CONFIRM IT CAN HOLD AN ACCEPTABLE AMOUNT OF VACUUM PRESSURE. IF THE BOOSTER INSPECTION CONFIRMS AN UNACCEPTABLE LOSS OF VACUUM PRESSURE, THE BOOSTER WILL BE REPLACED. REPAIRS WILL BE MADE FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN IN MAY 2014. OWNERS MAY CONTACT CHRYSLER AT 1-800-853-1403. CHRYSLER'S RECALL CAMPAIGN NUMBER IS P14.
Recall Number: 14V154000Recall Date: 04/01/2014
Component: SERVICE BRAKES
Problem Summary: CHRYSLER GROUP LLC (CHRYSLER) IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2011-2014 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE AND DODGE DURANGO VEHICLES MANUFACTURED FROM JANUARY 5, 2010, THROUGH SEPTEMBER 8, 2013. THE SUBJECT VEHICLES HAVE A BRAKE BOOSTER WITH A CENTER SHELL THAT MAY CORRODE AND ALLOW WATER TO GET INSIDE.
Consequence: THE WATER INSIDE COULD FREEZE AND LIMIT THE BRAKING ABILITY OF THE VEHICLE, INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.
What Owners Should Do: CHRYSLER WILL NOTIFY OWNERS, AND DEALERS WILL ADD A WATER DIVERTER SHIELD TO THE BOOSTER AFTER THE BOOSTER HAS BEEN TESTED TO CONFIRM IT CAN HOLD AN ACCEPTABLE AMOUNT OF VACUUM PRESSURE. IF THE BOOSTER INSPECTION CONFIRMS AN UNACCEPTABLE LOSS OF VACUUM PRESSURE, THE BOOSTER WILL BE REPLACED. REPAIRS WILL BE MADE FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN IN MAY 2014. OWNERS MAY CONTACT CHRYSLER AT 1-800-853-1403. CHRYSLER'S RECALL CAMPAIGN NUMBER IS P14.
Recall Number: 13V483000Recall Date: 10/17/2013
Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:ALTERNATOR/GENERATOR/REGULATOR
Problem Summary: CHRYSLER GROUP, LLC (CHRYSLER) IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2014 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE VEHICLES MANUFACTURED JANUARY 8, 2013, THROUGH AUGUST 20, 2013. DUE TO A DISRUPTION OF COMPUTER COMMUNICATIONS AND LOOSE ALTERNATOR GROUND WIRES, THE AFFECTED VEHICLES MAY EXPERIENCE RANDOM ILLUMINATION OF MULTIPLE INSTRUMENT CLUSTER WARNING LIGHTS, LOSS OF CLUSTER ILLUMINATION AND LOSS OF ANTI-LOCK BRAKE SYSTEM (ABS) AND ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL (ESC) FUNCTION. BECAUSE OF THESE CONDITIONS, THE VEHICLES FAIL TO CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD (FMVSS) NO. 101, "CONTROLS AND DISPLAYS," AND NO. 126, "ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL SYSTEMS.
Consequence: A LOSS OF ABS AND ESC FUNCTION REDUCES THE DRIVER'S ABILITY TO CONTROL THE VEHICLE. DRIVERS WOULD NOT BE WARNED OF BRAKE SYSTEM FAILURES OR ANY OTHER FAILURES WHICH WOULD BE ILLUMINATED ON THE DASHBOARD DISPLAY. EITHER CONDITION INCREASES THE RISK OF A CRASH.
What Owners Should Do: CHRYSLER WILL NOTIFY OWNERS, AND DEALERS WILL UPDATE THE ABS AND INSTRUMENT CLUSTER MODULE SOFTWARE AND TIGHTEN THE ALTERNATOR GROUND WIRE, FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL IS PLANNED TO BEGIN IN NOVEMBER 2013. OWNERS MAY CONTACT CHRYSLER AT 1-800-247-9753. CHRYSLER'S RECALL CAMPAIGN NUMBER IS N58.
Recall Number: 13V483000Recall Date: 10/17/2013
Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK:CONTROL UNIT/MODULE
Problem Summary: CHRYSLER GROUP, LLC (CHRYSLER) IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2014 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE VEHICLES MANUFACTURED JANUARY 8, 2013, THROUGH AUGUST 20, 2013. DUE TO A DISRUPTION OF COMPUTER COMMUNICATIONS AND LOOSE ALTERNATOR GROUND WIRES, THE AFFECTED VEHICLES MAY EXPERIENCE RANDOM ILLUMINATION OF MULTIPLE INSTRUMENT CLUSTER WARNING LIGHTS, LOSS OF CLUSTER ILLUMINATION AND LOSS OF ANTI-LOCK BRAKE SYSTEM (ABS) AND ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL (ESC) FUNCTION. BECAUSE OF THESE CONDITIONS, THE VEHICLES FAIL TO CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD (FMVSS) NO. 101, "CONTROLS AND DISPLAYS," AND NO. 126, "ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL SYSTEMS.
Consequence: A LOSS OF ABS AND ESC FUNCTION REDUCES THE DRIVER'S ABILITY TO CONTROL THE VEHICLE. DRIVERS WOULD NOT BE WARNED OF BRAKE SYSTEM FAILURES OR ANY OTHER FAILURES WHICH WOULD BE ILLUMINATED ON THE DASHBOARD DISPLAY. EITHER CONDITION INCREASES THE RISK OF A CRASH.
What Owners Should Do: CHRYSLER WILL NOTIFY OWNERS, AND DEALERS WILL UPDATE THE ABS AND INSTRUMENT CLUSTER MODULE SOFTWARE AND TIGHTEN THE ALTERNATOR GROUND WIRE, FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL IS PLANNED TO BEGIN IN NOVEMBER 2013. OWNERS MAY CONTACT CHRYSLER AT 1-800-247-9753. CHRYSLER'S RECALL CAMPAIGN NUMBER IS N58.
Recall Number: 13V483000Recall Date: 10/17/2013
Component: ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL
Problem Summary: CHRYSLER GROUP, LLC (CHRYSLER) IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2014 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE VEHICLES MANUFACTURED JANUARY 8, 2013, THROUGH AUGUST 20, 2013. DUE TO A DISRUPTION OF COMPUTER COMMUNICATIONS AND LOOSE ALTERNATOR GROUND WIRES, THE AFFECTED VEHICLES MAY EXPERIENCE RANDOM ILLUMINATION OF MULTIPLE INSTRUMENT CLUSTER WARNING LIGHTS, LOSS OF CLUSTER ILLUMINATION AND LOSS OF ANTI-LOCK BRAKE SYSTEM (ABS) AND ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL (ESC) FUNCTION. BECAUSE OF THESE CONDITIONS, THE VEHICLES FAIL TO CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD (FMVSS) NO. 101, "CONTROLS AND DISPLAYS," AND NO. 126, "ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL SYSTEMS.
Consequence: A LOSS OF ABS AND ESC FUNCTION REDUCES THE DRIVER'S ABILITY TO CONTROL THE VEHICLE. DRIVERS WOULD NOT BE WARNED OF BRAKE SYSTEM FAILURES OR ANY OTHER FAILURES WHICH WOULD BE ILLUMINATED ON THE DASHBOARD DISPLAY. EITHER CONDITION INCREASES THE RISK OF A CRASH.
What Owners Should Do: CHRYSLER WILL NOTIFY OWNERS, AND DEALERS WILL UPDATE THE ABS AND INSTRUMENT CLUSTER MODULE SOFTWARE AND TIGHTEN THE ALTERNATOR GROUND WIRE, FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL IS PLANNED TO BEGIN IN NOVEMBER 2013. OWNERS MAY CONTACT CHRYSLER AT 1-800-247-9753. CHRYSLER'S RECALL CAMPAIGN NUMBER IS N58.
Recall Number: 13V289000Recall Date: 07/02/2013
Component: EXTERIOR LIGHTING
Problem Summary: CHRYSLER IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2014, NON-SRT TRIMMED, GRAND CHEROKEE VEHICLES MANUFACTURED JANUARY 14, 2013, THROUGH MARCH 20, 2013 EQUIPPED WITH PREMIUM HEADLAMPS. IN THE AFFECTED VEHICLES, WHEN SWITCHING BETWEEN DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHTS AND PARKING LIGHTS, ELECTRICAL SPIKES MAY CAUSE THE PARKING LAMPS TO TURN OFF. WITHOUT PROPERLY FUNCTIONING PARKING LAMPS THESE VEHICLES FAIL TO CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD (FMVSS) NO. 108, "LAMPS, REFLECTIVE DEVICES, AND ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT.
Consequence: WITHOUT PARKING LAMPS, THE VEHICLE MAY NOT BE AS VISIBLE TO OTHER VEHICLES, INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.
What Owners Should Do: CHRYSLER WILL NOTIFY OWNERS, AND DEALERS WILL UPDATE THE CENTRAL BODY CONTROLLER SOFTWARE, FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN IN AUGUST 2013. OWNERS MAY CONTACT CHRYSLER AT 1-800-247-9753. CHRYSLER'S RECALL CAMPAIGN NUMBER IS N42.
Reliability is a concern vs a Lexus, no doubt, but he's looking at a 15, I think he'll be fine.
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04-02-15, 07:47 PM
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I do agree though, when you have a problematic one it is maddening. The people with the early build 2014s that had problems really went through hell. My 2011 had a lot of little maddening issues that required stays in the shop, but it was always drivable (worst was an HVAC failure the day before leaving on a summer trip. Luckily the dealer stole someone else's ordered part for mine and fixed it so we could take the Jeep). I don't blame you for being bitter about it.
Now, what's the magic number of Jeeps I must own before I have a respectable amount of insight, exactly?
How many is too many?
First off, some of them you have posted multiple times. If you look at the dates on those, most of them refer to early build 2014s. My 2014 for instance only has the air bag recall (which needs to be done), the vanity mirror recall (already done) and the ESC/ adaptive cruise recall (already done).
As a comparison my GS has had the brake pedal assembly recalled, trunk release recalled, steering control unit recalled, now the front passenger seat rails recalled for an airbag issue.
Does that mean my Jeep is more reliable than my Lexus? Because it has fewer recalls?
04-02-15, 08:11 PM
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Folks, expressing opinions and personal experiences are great. It's what we love and value here at CL. Let's just be sure we don't inadvertently allow our passionate replies to become too personal, and we stay on target in this thread with the intent of the original post.
Thanks!
Thanks!
04-03-15, 01:26 PM
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Man this sounds like the 4Runner forums. Those guys hate the GC!! Straight up the Jeep is a very very handsome vehicle. Reliability is hit and miss but for the most part I wouldn't say it's terrible.
2016 RX: Polarizing styling and reliability. Although the 2016 is all new so it might even have a few bugs.
Simple isn't it?
2016 RX: Polarizing styling and reliability. Although the 2016 is all new so it might even have a few bugs.
Simple isn't it?
04-04-15, 07:07 AM
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also, i have granite color summit (black interior) by the way. black interior wouldn't have been my first choice but i'm ok with it and it looks great. i did get weather tech floor and cargo liners to replace the very nice berber carpet mats i didn't want to get trashed.
anyway, suggest we take this thread to pm's for any further jeep talk as it has nothing to do with 2016 rx.
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