Is anyone bored of their RX yet?
07-13-13, 08:28 AM
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". . .very hit or miss." That's always the case. Not every Rover is terrible. The data gathered over a long period, however, indicates that more of them are filled with problems than any other car, so your odds of getting an unreliable vehicle are higher with a RR than with the purchase of just about anything else. At the other end of the data table are the cars that are historically low on reported problems, and these usually tend to be more expensive, so look, as always, for that sweet spot on the bell curve and that's where your car buying dollar goes furthest. (Hint: it's not at the Range Rover store; another hint (no extra charge): Toyota and Honda have a lot of happy and repeat owners.)
OR: buying a Range Rover is like going to see "Howard the Duck" - maybe you will be one of the few who like it, but the odds are against it. The advantage to seeing a bad movie, even "Battlefield Earth," over buying a bad car is that you are only out $10.00 or so. Thank God that Sharknado was free.
OR: buying a Range Rover is like going to see "Howard the Duck" - maybe you will be one of the few who like it, but the odds are against it. The advantage to seeing a bad movie, even "Battlefield Earth," over buying a bad car is that you are only out $10.00 or so. Thank God that Sharknado was free.
07-13-13, 10:07 AM
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Yep. It's right up there with "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes," but nothing gets worse than "Birdemic," generally considered to be the single worst movie ever made. So bad I got it from Netflix to see how bad movies can get, and all the talk is true. You have got to see that one just so you know where the data points start.
07-13-13, 11:53 AM
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Yep. It's right up there with "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes," but nothing gets worse than "Birdemic," generally considered to be the single worst movie ever made. So bad I got it from Netflix to see how bad movies can get, and all the talk is true. You have got to see that one just so you know where the data points start.
" No sharks were injured in the making of this film - but - some actors may have permanently affected their careers."
07-20-13, 09:43 AM
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LMAO!!! WOW!!! I didn't realize that Range Rovers were that bad. This is good to know. If you don't mind me asking, which sites do you trust when it comes to research on vehicles or is it a combination of research and people you've known had the vehicle?
07-20-13, 11:44 AM
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Forming an opinion on the overall reliability of a vehicle from "people you've known [who've] had the vehicle" is not the path to reliable information. It's what we call generalizing from insufficient data, which we learned not to do in high school chemistry, physics, etc. The reports published by J.D. Powers (http://autos.jdpower.com/ratings/dependability.htm) are generally considered excellent indicators of reliability, customer satisfaction and quality of construction. Consumer Reports does auto surveys, and is mentioned in news reports often, but they gather data not from the public at large or from a scientifically selected sample, but from their subscribers, and many observers consider the results less accurate for that reason. (There are other significant differences between these two surveys; see generally: http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012...-so-different/).
Of course, you may want to forgo reliability in favor of image, in which case a Lambo might be the car for you.
Of course, you may want to forgo reliability in favor of image, in which case a Lambo might be the car for you.
07-20-13, 02:17 PM
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Forming an opinion on the overall reliability of a vehicle from "people you've known [who've] had the vehicle" is not the path to reliable information. It's what we call generalizing from insufficient data, which we learned not to do in high school chemistry, physics, etc. The reports published by J.D. Powers (http://autos.jdpower.com/ratings/dependability.htm) are generally considered excellent indicators of reliability, customer satisfaction and quality of construction. Consumer Reports does auto surveys, and is mentioned in news reports often, but they gather data not from the public at large or from a scientifically selected sample, but from their subscribers, and many observers consider the results less accurate for that reason. (There are other significant differences between these two surveys; see generally: http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012...-so-different/).
Of course, you may want to forgo reliability in favor of image, in which case a Lambo might be the car for you.
Of course, you may want to forgo reliability in favor of image, in which case a Lambo might be the car for you.
07-20-13, 06:13 PM
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I have been around for a long time so a good deal of this is just a long tradition of poking fun at British automotive products and especially those who used Lucas Electrics for various subsystems.
07-20-13, 06:55 PM
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Having said that, there is a reason why Jag, Aston Martin, Range Rover, etc. have been around so long. They are great vehicles, just for different reasons than a Toyota (Lexus).
07-20-13, 07:49 PM
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Please don't forget MG; they made some of the worst...famous for headlights going dead as you drove down the road, or NO BRAKES all of a suddenll
A friend had a MG-C, meaning the 6 cyoinder engine in that piece of crap; it was terrible..]
Yup, Sir Lucas, Prince of darkness was the terminology......
A friend had a MG-C, meaning the 6 cyoinder engine in that piece of crap; it was terrible..]
Yup, Sir Lucas, Prince of darkness was the terminology......
07-20-13, 08:29 PM
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I do not expect my Lexus to be perfect -- without problems and/or recalls. However, I do expect the dealership(s) to act professionally and responsibly at those times. It is not about the customer always being right and always getting what they want.
07-21-13, 04:43 PM
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07-21-13, 05:30 PM
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Had a neighbor when I was younger who owned a Jaguar XKE V12 Series 3 2+2 hardtop. Most of the time I saw him with it he was tinkering under the hood. More tuning than driving. Was a labor of love. I would be out there working on my Chevelle doing much the same thing. Would say the same with a couple of the vehicles I have owned and in some cases still own, but not my Lexus. While many of us enjoy our RX, most would consider it nothing more than an appliance.
07-22-13, 03:23 AM
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Yup. Hence the old joke, Why do the British drink warm beer? Because their refrigerators used Lucas wiring!
Having said that, there is a reason why Jag, Aston Martin, Range Rover, etc. have been around so long. They are great vehicles, just for different reasons than a Toyota (Lexus).
Having said that, there is a reason why Jag, Aston Martin, Range Rover, etc. have been around so long. They are great vehicles, just for different reasons than a Toyota (Lexus).