2012 RX 350 Premium Radio
#31
Lead Lap
From the sounds of things, some posters on this thread may agree with my opinion, others perhaps not, but I firmly believe that the reduction in the quality of automotive sound systems is an industry trend, and not limited to any single manufacturer.
I think there are multiple reasons for this. 1) Simple cost cutting. If customers don't throw tantrums/hissy fits--and demand better sound systems--it will continue. It's the nature of the industry. 2) Home systems are not as popular/plentiful as they used to be, and most of them just sound crappy, especially if all you have is some sort of surround sound system for your TV. 3) Lots of younger folks have never heard a great sound system played at high volume. Hey, they just listen to their iPod or whatever with ear buds. So, they're pretty pleased with the junky sound systems in most cars. They've apparently never heard a really good sound system.
Real audiophiles are few & far between. Even my old ears now need hearing aids (too much loud stereo years ago?) and lots of car systems sound OK to me. It sucks to get old. However, I do wish our 2010's 9-speaker system sounded as good as the Mark Levinson in our old 2008 GX470. That thing rocked! Oh well.....
I think there are multiple reasons for this. 1) Simple cost cutting. If customers don't throw tantrums/hissy fits--and demand better sound systems--it will continue. It's the nature of the industry. 2) Home systems are not as popular/plentiful as they used to be, and most of them just sound crappy, especially if all you have is some sort of surround sound system for your TV. 3) Lots of younger folks have never heard a great sound system played at high volume. Hey, they just listen to their iPod or whatever with ear buds. So, they're pretty pleased with the junky sound systems in most cars. They've apparently never heard a really good sound system.
Real audiophiles are few & far between. Even my old ears now need hearing aids (too much loud stereo years ago?) and lots of car systems sound OK to me. It sucks to get old. However, I do wish our 2010's 9-speaker system sounded as good as the Mark Levinson in our old 2008 GX470. That thing rocked! Oh well.....
Last edited by RickC5; 01-09-14 at 04:00 PM.
#32
Driver School Candidate
Yuribud, I couldn't agree more about the RX300 sound system. My 2000 model apparently had the same system as your '99 model, and I absolutely worship that thing. My wife is wanting to trade it in because too many parts are starting to fail (and they're all expensive), but I'm trying to talk her out of it because I don't want to lose that stereo. From everything I've read, it's questionalble as to whether I would be happy with any other sound system that Lexus is putting in their vehicles. It's just sad that the people at Lexus apparently just don't care for quality music and put no priority on it.
#33
Lead Lap
When the bean counters are calling all the shots, quality music systems, adequate sound deadening and a multitude of minor bells & whistles always get the short shrift, as they can be "reduced" or cheapened--meaning less cost and therefore MORE profit--without affecting the reliability or driveability of the vehicle, without most buyers ever noticing the difference. There it is.
#34
Lexus Champion
I don't know what the complaints are about. The 12-speaker sound system in the '13RX is top notch. That was a pleasant surprise. I also had a '14 IS loaner recently, and its sound system (non-ML) was phenomenal. IMHO, Lexus finally learned how to build audio systems. Maybe it's the change to Pioneer hardware.
The original premium audio in my IS300 was absolutely nothing to rave about. I replace everything, down to the wire, as soon as I got it back in '03.
The original premium audio in my IS300 was absolutely nothing to rave about. I replace everything, down to the wire, as soon as I got it back in '03.
#35
When the bean counters are calling all the shots, quality music systems, adequate sound deadening and a multitude of minor bells & whistles always get the short shrift, as they can be "reduced" or cheapened--meaning less cost and therefore MORE profit--without affecting the reliability or driveability of the vehicle, without most buyers ever noticing the difference. There it is.
#36
I don't know what the complaints are about. The 12-speaker sound system in the '13RX is top notch. That was a pleasant surprise. I also had a '14 IS loaner recently, and its sound system (non-ML) was phenomenal. IMHO, Lexus finally learned how to build audio systems. Maybe it's the change to Pioneer hardware.
The original premium audio in my IS300 was absolutely nothing to rave about. I replace everything, down to the wire, as soon as I got it back in '03.
The original premium audio in my IS300 was absolutely nothing to rave about. I replace everything, down to the wire, as soon as I got it back in '03.
#38
The Giants need a lot of help. As a fan, I was willing to write of the year at 0-6, hoping we finished 3-13 or there abouts in order to get better draft picks in all rounds. Damn them for winning all those games!! I've only heard the more premium systems in those vehicles. The B&O system in the Audi was very impressive. I once put an after market system in my 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee for about $3,000 with Alpine amps and head unit, Focal speakers and an Alumapro subwoofer that was truely amazing, the sound of a $25,000 home audio system with better bass!! It just worked, it was magic, sometimes you just luck out with a system that works with the acoustical space. If you haven't heard trulely great car audio(or home audio for that matter), you would never know what you are missing. As I said the rx system is more than adequate, it just has no low bass or bass impact. It is very hard to fool mother nature with bass, you need lots of power with high current and large drivers and big enclosures. My wife's 2011 Acura MDX has a much better sound system(and a hard drive recorder!!). Thanks. Regards. Ned.
#39
Driver School Candidate
Wife Just ordered a 2015 IS350 with ML
I sat in a 2014 IS350 today with a base stereo and listened to a sample of songs from my CDs. I wanted to compare the stereo to the one in my wife's 2000 RX300. While it was a good system, the base and percussion just couldn't match the RX. It was too mushy. I was so disappointed I wanted to cry, because the day has finally come that my wife needs to trade in the RX and I'm heartbroken to lose that stereo. They didn't have any IS350s with a Mark Levinson for me to listen to, but they did have a GS450 with one. I sat in the GS for an hour by myself, tweeking the settings and listening to my CDs. It's a very good system, very comparable to the one in the RX, but I think even the ML is not quite as sharp on the percussion notes as the RX. But at least it's very comparable and I think I'll be happy with it, so we ordered a 2015 IS350 with an ML.
The stereo in the '99/'00 RX must be one in a million because I've never heard another car stereo that can match it, especially with the subwoofer. The guy that designed that sound system must have truly been a genius. It seems incomprehensible that a standard RX factory stereo could match or exceed a high end premium system like the ML, but I heard what I heard.
While I'll probably always feel like I'm missing just a little percussion sharpness with the new ML system, at least I don't think I'll cry when I have to give up the RX. The ML really is very very good. But man, how did they make that old Pioneer in the 2000 RX sound so perfect? I'd love to know.
The stereo in the '99/'00 RX must be one in a million because I've never heard another car stereo that can match it, especially with the subwoofer. The guy that designed that sound system must have truly been a genius. It seems incomprehensible that a standard RX factory stereo could match or exceed a high end premium system like the ML, but I heard what I heard.
While I'll probably always feel like I'm missing just a little percussion sharpness with the new ML system, at least I don't think I'll cry when I have to give up the RX. The ML really is very very good. But man, how did they make that old Pioneer in the 2000 RX sound so perfect? I'd love to know.
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I sat in a 2014 IS350 today with a base stereo and listened to a sample of songs from my CDs. I wanted to compare the stereo to the one in my wife's 2000 RX300. While it was a good system, the base and percussion just couldn't match the RX. It was too mushy. I was so disappointed I wanted to cry, because the day has finally come that my wife needs to trade in the RX and I'm heartbroken to lose that stereo. They didn't have any IS350s with a Mark Levinson for me to listen to, but they did have a GS450 with one. I sat in the GS for an hour by myself, tweeking the settings and listening to my CDs. It's a very good system, very comparable to the one in the RX, but I think even the ML is not quite as sharp on the percussion notes as the RX. But at least it's very comparable and I think I'll be happy with it, so we ordered a 2015 IS350 with an ML.
The stereo in the '99/'00 RX must be one in a million because I've never heard another car stereo that can match it, especially with the subwoofer. The guy that designed that sound system must have truly been a genius. It seems incomprehensible that a standard RX factory stereo could match or exceed a high end premium system like the ML, but I heard what I heard.
While I'll probably always feel like I'm missing just a little percussion sharpness with the new ML system, at least I don't think I'll cry when I have to give up the RX. The ML really is very very good. But man, how did they make that old Pioneer in the 2000 RX sound so perfect? I'd love to know.
The stereo in the '99/'00 RX must be one in a million because I've never heard another car stereo that can match it, especially with the subwoofer. The guy that designed that sound system must have truly been a genius. It seems incomprehensible that a standard RX factory stereo could match or exceed a high end premium system like the ML, but I heard what I heard.
While I'll probably always feel like I'm missing just a little percussion sharpness with the new ML system, at least I don't think I'll cry when I have to give up the RX. The ML really is very very good. But man, how did they make that old Pioneer in the 2000 RX sound so perfect? I'd love to know.
But, yes, I agree. I completely don't get it. What was the reason to kill their own system they had in rx300? It was a brilliant idea with subwoofer. It was simple user interface without all those modes and fancy features. But it did the job. It produced wonderful sound which I did not hear in any other car so far and I've been in a lot of them.
#41
Moderator
Playing with the treble, midrange and bass controls can make a big difference. As can fading the stage area more to the front. I found cranking up the midrange provided a lot of improvement.
#42
Lead Lap
My '13 RX sound good. just good and nothing wow or special. I never experienced any "wow I never heard that note before" moments like I would in some better systems.
I wanted but couldn't find a f-sport model with ML.
As far as Lexus sound is concerned, I think they should fire the person in charge of the sound system. That person clearly has no ears for music at all!
Lexus are you listening?
I wanted but couldn't find a f-sport model with ML.
As far as Lexus sound is concerned, I think they should fire the person in charge of the sound system. That person clearly has no ears for music at all!
Lexus are you listening?
#44
Lexus Test Driver
it's only day 2 of the installation of the subwoofer and amplifier.
my problem is getting the right mix for treble mid and bass
the crapiness of XM hits 1 is also " amplified"
the CD and high bit rate mp3s sound excellent
even Pandora sounds far better than XM stations
So what's your current set up for the treble mid and bass. btw, i'm no audiophile
the subwoofer has it's own rotary dial and i have it at 1/4
here's mine
Before/STOCK
TREBLE +2
MID 0
BASS +1
With Subwoofer/amplifier
TREBLE +2
MID +1
BASS -1 to -3
my problem is getting the right mix for treble mid and bass
the crapiness of XM hits 1 is also " amplified"
the CD and high bit rate mp3s sound excellent
even Pandora sounds far better than XM stations
So what's your current set up for the treble mid and bass. btw, i'm no audiophile
the subwoofer has it's own rotary dial and i have it at 1/4
here's mine
Before/STOCK
TREBLE +2
MID 0
BASS +1
With Subwoofer/amplifier
TREBLE +2
MID +1
BASS -1 to -3
#45
Lead Lap
markrivers,
Nice! Does the new subwoofer fit in the old one's location? Where does the amp reside?
I'm interested in doing that too but would hate to lose any spaces in the trunk.
Nice! Does the new subwoofer fit in the old one's location? Where does the amp reside?
I'm interested in doing that too but would hate to lose any spaces in the trunk.