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Old 12-21-13, 12:20 PM   #1501
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So does this mean 460hp for the RCF and the 478hp rumor is for the GSF?
Comparing to similar BMW competition, the *rumored* 460 HP for the upcoming RC-F would be neat (considering that the previous ISF has 416HP and the newly-released M3 and M4 have 430 HP)

However, 478 HP for a GS-F is NOT GOING TO CUT IT..........especially given that the competitors in this segment (BMW M5, Jaguar XFR, Audi RS6/RS7, MB E63 AMG, etc.) have MORE THAN 500 HP

The GS-F NEEDS TO HAVE AT LEAST 500 HP minimum to compete in that segment. Otherwise, it will be left behind...
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Old 12-21-13, 12:41 PM   #1502
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You can achieve any number by cheating (forced induction)

If BMW is so good why didn't they make a compelling Naturally Aspirated V8? Exactly coz they just cannot cut it and had to opt out for the easy path.
I think it's both good and bad. Even more people would probably go with a 335i. At least with the older motor, the people just supercharged it and it's gg.

Having an ISF myself, it was nice doing headers and having decent gains. The hp for the RCF is so similar to an ISF with headers that I am led to think that no meaningful mods are possible for more power (apart from if you have a vehicle with a Japanese ecu)
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Old 12-21-13, 02:48 PM   #1503
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Comparing to similar BMW competition, the *rumored* 460 HP for the upcoming RC-F would be neat (considering that the previous ISF has 416HP and the newly-released M3 and M4 have 430 HP)

However, 478 HP for a GS-F is NOT GOING TO CUT IT..........especially given that the competitors in this segment (BMW M5, Jaguar XFR, Audi RS6/RS7, MB E63 AMG, etc.) have MORE THAN 500 HP

The GS-F NEEDS TO HAVE AT LEAST 500 HP minimum to compete in that segment. Otherwise, it will be left behind...
Once Lexus realizes that a sub-500 HP GSF will be a total flop, I'm sure they'll fix things for the 2nd generation.
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Old 12-21-13, 02:53 PM   #1504
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M3 / M4 chassis is said to have 50% unique parts in comparison to standard F30 / F32.

You can see most of the features / specs here:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=923203

They've already done high power, high reving NA motors. But that's like saying why can't Lexus match their entry level 4 cylinder without doing having to do a new 2.0t. Let's appreciate what both are doing.

New M3/ M4 will be beasts and hopefully the RC-F equally impresses.
Yeah I know. But the 5.0L 2UR-GSE is not a 'high revving' engine.

Like with all Toyota engines (except for a few) it's designed for a smooth and as much wide power band as possible.
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Old 12-21-13, 02:55 PM   #1505
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Once Lexus realizes that a sub-500 HP GSF will be a total flop, I'm sure they'll fix things for the 2nd generation.
They've had time to do R&D and competitors playing their cards out, I honestly hope the 1st gen doesn't flop.
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Old 12-21-13, 03:12 PM   #1506
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Once Lexus realizes that a sub-500 HP GSF will be a total flop, I'm sure they'll fix things for the 2nd generation.
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They've had time to do R&D and competitors playing their cards out, I honestly hope the 1st gen doesn't flop.
This revised 5.0L V8 is essentially a bridge engine while the twin turbo V6 and V8 mills are being developed. LPC is hinting at 2016 models being available with the new mills (**obviously suject to change) but suffice to say a FI Future is on the horizon for Lexus
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Old 12-21-13, 03:54 PM   #1507
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RC350: 306HP

RC-F: 460

says 318 bhp here

http://www.lexus-int.com/models/RC/
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Sorry, but BMW lost hp war this time around. Let's see how those car stack up on the track.
Remember the future competition package on the M4 will add at least 20 hp, and looks like the BMW is lighter weight with much more turbo torque.

In a straight line, I would bet on the M4, turbo car is usually quicker then NA. Look at the 458 vs. 12C.
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Old 12-21-13, 04:52 PM   #1509
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it seems that Lexus should do 3cly with 4 turbo's for 500hp, or bust.

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it seems that Lexus should do 3cly with 4 turbo's for 500hp, or bust.

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Reliability and maintenance should be excellent on such an engine.
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Old 12-22-13, 01:05 AM   #1511
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Sorry, but BMW lost hp war this time around. Let's see how those car stack up on the track.
when was the last time bmw win a hp war?
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Reliability and maintenance should be excellent on such an engine.
we dont care about that anymore, or driveability...or sound... things changed, now we mostly care about having lots of turbo's.
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we dont care about that anymore, or driveability...or sound... things changed, now we mostly care about having lots of turbo's.
Well as long as it pleases the people on autoblog.
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Old 12-22-13, 02:21 PM   #1514
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Reliability and maintenance should be excellent on such an engine.
No need for reliability or handling when you can win the traffic light wars! As long as the engine lets go AFTER the drag race is over, it's fine

That seems to be all anyone cares about these days unfortunately; doesn't matter if it handles like a turd, as long as it has traction off the line and gets to 60 quicker than anyone else.
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No need for reliability or handling when you can win the traffic light wars! As long as the engine lets go AFTER the drag race is over, it's fine

That seems to be all anyone cares about these days unfortunately; doesn't matter if it handles like a turd, as long as it has traction off the line and gets to 60 quicker than anyone else.
Isn't the super snake a better choice then?
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