RC-F in Top Gear [22x06] March 1st
03-04-15, 09:40 AM
#181
New here and this is not perhaps a good way to start out, but here goes and I apologize in advance if I ruffle any tail feathers.
I am blown away that people would cancel an order on any street car because there is something in the price range that might have a .X advantage around a closed circuit course in the hands of very capable driver or because of an interesting, but negative, review.
The vast majority of the population cannot drive at 10/10s around a closed circuit course and most cannot even approach a true 8/10s or 9/10s on a closed circuit course. Where is anyone going to be driving these cars at 9/10s + on public roads . . . Most on here probably would be able to drive at a brisker pace in an RC F than an M4 due to inherent understeer v. oversteer in chassis set up.
I can take my old 2006 somewhat weight reduced 190 hp Elise that I instructed in for years and run faster laps on most closed circuit courses than 99.999% of the population driving any Ms, Z0s, 993, 6 or 7s and etc. Sure they can beat me 0 - 60 or in 1/4 mile (as can family cars and some SUVs), but who the heck really forks out any considerable amount of money for a street car based solely on .2 or .3 quicker 0 - 60 times.
I completely get if someone said going with M4, RS5, C63 or etc. because RC F looks are not for you, comfort is not for you or size is not compatible with one's needs. Canceling an order, however, because of a review or lap times in the hands of a professional driver seems more like an ego/pride based decision than a rationale decision based on your experience driving the car compared to various cars and based on subjective factors such as looks, comfort and meeting certain needs.
I am a performance junky and raced Porsche GT3 cup, F Mazda pro, F Atlantic and various spec classes since mid 90s. For 10 + years, my daily drivers were various 99X model Porsche TTs. The RCF F is my first non-Porsche (1 BMW excluded) daily driver since 1992 and my first car from Japan since a 1987 MR2 I had when I was 19, although my wife recently purchased an IS F-Sport.
I like the looks of the RC F. I think it is a fresh style when some of the other brand designs are tired and need a face lift. I like the interior of the car. It sounds good and is a very nice driving car with sufficient performance on tap to have some fun on public roads. Perhaps at 47, I am just getting old and out of touch . . ., but no reason to get all worked up over some silly negative review or recent lap times by a professional driver. Spend time in it yourself and in the competitors' cars and purchase based on your subjective experience and what makes you happy.
I am blown away that people would cancel an order on any street car because there is something in the price range that might have a .X advantage around a closed circuit course in the hands of very capable driver or because of an interesting, but negative, review.
The vast majority of the population cannot drive at 10/10s around a closed circuit course and most cannot even approach a true 8/10s or 9/10s on a closed circuit course. Where is anyone going to be driving these cars at 9/10s + on public roads . . . Most on here probably would be able to drive at a brisker pace in an RC F than an M4 due to inherent understeer v. oversteer in chassis set up.
I can take my old 2006 somewhat weight reduced 190 hp Elise that I instructed in for years and run faster laps on most closed circuit courses than 99.999% of the population driving any Ms, Z0s, 993, 6 or 7s and etc. Sure they can beat me 0 - 60 or in 1/4 mile (as can family cars and some SUVs), but who the heck really forks out any considerable amount of money for a street car based solely on .2 or .3 quicker 0 - 60 times.
I completely get if someone said going with M4, RS5, C63 or etc. because RC F looks are not for you, comfort is not for you or size is not compatible with one's needs. Canceling an order, however, because of a review or lap times in the hands of a professional driver seems more like an ego/pride based decision than a rationale decision based on your experience driving the car compared to various cars and based on subjective factors such as looks, comfort and meeting certain needs.
I am a performance junky and raced Porsche GT3 cup, F Mazda pro, F Atlantic and various spec classes since mid 90s. For 10 + years, my daily drivers were various 99X model Porsche TTs. The RCF F is my first non-Porsche (1 BMW excluded) daily driver since 1992 and my first car from Japan since a 1987 MR2 I had when I was 19, although my wife recently purchased an IS F-Sport.
I like the looks of the RC F. I think it is a fresh style when some of the other brand designs are tired and need a face lift. I like the interior of the car. It sounds good and is a very nice driving car with sufficient performance on tap to have some fun on public roads. Perhaps at 47, I am just getting old and out of touch . . ., but no reason to get all worked up over some silly negative review or recent lap times by a professional driver. Spend time in it yourself and in the competitors' cars and purchase based on your subjective experience and what makes you happy.
03-04-15, 09:53 AM
#182
New here and this is not perhaps a good way to start out, but here goes and I apologize in advance if I ruffle any tail feathers.
I am blown away that people would cancel an order on any street car because there is something in the price range that might have a .X advantage around a closed circuit course in the hands of very capable driver or because of an interesting, but negative, review.
The vast majority of the population cannot drive at 10/10s around a closed circuit course and most cannot even approach a true 8/10s or 9/10s on a closed circuit course. Where is anyone going to be driving these cars at 9/10s + on public roads . . . Most on here probably would be able to drive at a brisker pace in an RC F than an M4 due to inherent understeer v. oversteer in chassis set up.
I can take my old 2006 somewhat weight reduced 190 hp Elise that I instructed in for years and run faster laps on most closed circuit courses than 99.999% of the population driving any Ms, Z0s, 993, 6 or 7s and etc. Sure they can beat me 0 - 60 or in 1/4 mile (as can family cars and some SUVs), but who the heck really forks out any considerable amount of money for a street car based solely on .2 or .3 quicker 0 - 60 times.
I completely get if someone said going with M4, RS5, C63 or etc. because RC F looks are not for you, comfort is not for you or size is not compatible with one's needs. Canceling an order, however, because of a review or lap times in the hands of a professional driver seems more like an ego/pride based decision than a rationale decision based on your experience driving the car compared to various cars and based on subjective factors such as looks, comfort and meeting certain needs.
I am a performance junky and raced Porsche GT3 cup, F Mazda pro, F Atlantic and various spec classes since mid 90s. For 10 + years, my daily drivers were various 99X model Porsche TTs. The RCF F is my first non-Porsche (1 BMW excluded) daily driver since 1992 and my first car from Japan since a 1987 MR2 I had when I was 19, although my wife recently purchased an IS F-Sport.
I like the looks of the RC F. I think it is a fresh style when some of the other brand designs are tired and need a face lift. I like the interior of the car. It sounds good and is a very nice driving car with sufficient performance on tap to have some fun on public roads. Perhaps at 47, I am just getting old and out of touch . . ., but no reason to get all worked up over some silly negative review or recent lap times by a professional driver. Spend time in it yourself and in the competitors' cars and purchase based on your subjective experience and what makes you happy.
I am blown away that people would cancel an order on any street car because there is something in the price range that might have a .X advantage around a closed circuit course in the hands of very capable driver or because of an interesting, but negative, review.
The vast majority of the population cannot drive at 10/10s around a closed circuit course and most cannot even approach a true 8/10s or 9/10s on a closed circuit course. Where is anyone going to be driving these cars at 9/10s + on public roads . . . Most on here probably would be able to drive at a brisker pace in an RC F than an M4 due to inherent understeer v. oversteer in chassis set up.
I can take my old 2006 somewhat weight reduced 190 hp Elise that I instructed in for years and run faster laps on most closed circuit courses than 99.999% of the population driving any Ms, Z0s, 993, 6 or 7s and etc. Sure they can beat me 0 - 60 or in 1/4 mile (as can family cars and some SUVs), but who the heck really forks out any considerable amount of money for a street car based solely on .2 or .3 quicker 0 - 60 times.
I completely get if someone said going with M4, RS5, C63 or etc. because RC F looks are not for you, comfort is not for you or size is not compatible with one's needs. Canceling an order, however, because of a review or lap times in the hands of a professional driver seems more like an ego/pride based decision than a rationale decision based on your experience driving the car compared to various cars and based on subjective factors such as looks, comfort and meeting certain needs.
I am a performance junky and raced Porsche GT3 cup, F Mazda pro, F Atlantic and various spec classes since mid 90s. For 10 + years, my daily drivers were various 99X model Porsche TTs. The RCF F is my first non-Porsche (1 BMW excluded) daily driver since 1992 and my first car from Japan since a 1987 MR2 I had when I was 19, although my wife recently purchased an IS F-Sport.
I like the looks of the RC F. I think it is a fresh style when some of the other brand designs are tired and need a face lift. I like the interior of the car. It sounds good and is a very nice driving car with sufficient performance on tap to have some fun on public roads. Perhaps at 47, I am just getting old and out of touch . . ., but no reason to get all worked up over some silly negative review or recent lap times by a professional driver. Spend time in it yourself and in the competitors' cars and purchase based on your subjective experience and what makes you happy.
This is a perfect example of how a car purchase decision should be made and he is probably a professional driver who not only know what he is talking about but also one who can drive a car fast!
03-04-15, 11:29 AM
#184
Here, here! I just don't get the big deal about 400 pounds. No track stuff for me. I get a charge out of going through the gears, well, the first three anyway, on my LS Sport. I expect to be ecstatic when my RC F is delivered. Just hoping to keep the underwear from being soiled.
03-04-15, 12:12 PM
#185
Here, here! I just don't get the big deal about 400 pounds. No track stuff for me. I get a charge out of going through the gears, well, the first three anyway, on my LS Sport. I expect to be ecstatic when my RC F is delivered. Just hoping to keep the underwear from being soiled.
03-04-15, 01:50 PM
#190
GTR all day long, pound to pound one of the best cars ever made in our century on this very planet. Period! Yes, it is relatively heavy but its handling and agility is on par if not exceed lightweight cars. Haha, it does defy physics in a way like DrRick mentioned.
GTR can smoke a bunch of performance cars including super cars in both straight lines and cornering all day long anytime anywhere! It deserves to be called the king on street.
GTR can smoke a bunch of performance cars including super cars in both straight lines and cornering all day long anytime anywhere! It deserves to be called the king on street.
03-04-15, 02:05 PM
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03-04-15, 04:08 PM
#193
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I have not seen the video, but Clarkson knows what he is doing. If it put it in the grass, he got frustrated, stayed on throttle, kept weight back and probably did it on purpose. I doubt seriously he would blow a corner that bad in any car to accidentally understeer off the road.
03-04-15, 09:56 PM
#195