RC-F in Top Gear [22x06] March 1st
03-03-15, 09:15 AM
#151
Wow ive following this thread and alot of memebers are cancelling their order or not considering buying the rc f. Is it becuase of the review from car journalist. I think you guys should test drive the car and its competitor and see what suits your desire.
03-03-15, 10:25 AM
#152
If we are really talking about performance that much and with this kind of budget, I would neither get the RCF nor the M4. Instead, I would save up some more G and go with either the Corvette or the GTR!!! End of discussion!
The only car from Lexus that is truly performance oriented and have proven to be one of the best with top Nurburgring lap times that beat many others and all that is the LFA. Other than that, all other Lexus vehicles have compromise performance with something else such as luxury, safety, and regulations.
The only car from Lexus that is truly performance oriented and have proven to be one of the best with top Nurburgring lap times that beat many others and all that is the LFA. Other than that, all other Lexus vehicles have compromise performance with something else such as luxury, safety, and regulations.
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03-03-15, 10:49 AM
#153
Lexus Test Driver
If we are really talking about performance that much and with this kind of budget, I would neither get the RCF nor the M4. Instead, I would save up some more G and go with either the Corvette or the GTR!!! End of discussion!
The only car from Lexus that is truly performance oriented and have proven to be one of the best with top Nurburgring lap times that beat many others and all that is the LFA. Other than that, all other Lexus vehicles have compromise performance with something else such as luxury, safety, and regulations.
The only car from Lexus that is truly performance oriented and have proven to be one of the best with top Nurburgring lap times that beat many others and all that is the LFA. Other than that, all other Lexus vehicles have compromise performance with something else such as luxury, safety, and regulations.
It has rear seats and trunk space.
GTR is a lot more expensive and costs even more to maintain compared to RCF.
For over 100k - there are many choices like 911S, AM Vantage, R8.
Those cars to me are more appealing than a GTR.
Again RCF is a great car imo - ppl need to go and drive it.
03-03-15, 10:53 AM
#154
RCF is a lot more useable than a Corvette.
It has rear seats and trunk space.
GTR is a lot more expensive and costs even more to maintain compared to RCF.
For over 100k - there are many choices like 911S, AM Vantage, R8.
Those cars to me are more appealing than a GTR.
Again RCF is a great car imo - ppl need to go and drive it.
It has rear seats and trunk space.
GTR is a lot more expensive and costs even more to maintain compared to RCF.
For over 100k - there are many choices like 911S, AM Vantage, R8.
Those cars to me are more appealing than a GTR.
Again RCF is a great car imo - ppl need to go and drive it.
03-03-15, 11:04 AM
#155
Lexus Test Driver
I will express my opinion in this thread relentlessly--without begging permission.
This is not about validation. This is about deliberate misrepresentation on his part. I find that intolerable.
One's shortcomings are another's strengths. The RC F challenges conventional automotive wisdom. And it works quite well--my opinion. I also know the M4 has a list of major shortcomings--something this one time M driver will never again deal with on the road or the track.
Clarkson's view is consistent with most UK reviewers--no big surprise here.
Oh...no conspiracy theory at work here. The folks at TG are not that bright.
This is not about validation. This is about deliberate misrepresentation on his part. I find that intolerable.
One's shortcomings are another's strengths. The RC F challenges conventional automotive wisdom. And it works quite well--my opinion. I also know the M4 has a list of major shortcomings--something this one time M driver will never again deal with on the road or the track.
Clarkson's view is consistent with most UK reviewers--no big surprise here.
Oh...no conspiracy theory at work here. The folks at TG are not that bright.
He summed up the clip by saying LFA costs 5x more than RCF so he wasnt expecting the same level of performance but he was looking for the spirit of the car.
That is a valid point on his part.
You can love or hate him, but he is the only major journalist that still gives the LFA much needed exposure. Considering its by far the BEST car Lexus ever made, that should be a good thing.
JC know Lexus has the engineering prowess but the bean counters are in the way of Greatness.
As a Lexus fan - I concur with him and hope Mr. Toyoda is listening!
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03-03-15, 11:08 AM
#156
No one is buying the RCF for handling and speed, tho. Which makes the umbrage about clarkson's film that much more mystifying. If you're touting "363:2" why in the world are you so aggy about a test that's focusing on the "2"?
03-03-15, 11:12 AM
#157
So why did JC and Top Gear dedicate 10 minutes to film amazing footage of the LFA - mind you a car that finished production YEARS ago!
He summed up the clip by saying LFA costs 5x more than RCF so he wasnt expecting the same level of performance but he was looking for the spirit of the car.
That is a valid point on his part.
You can love or hate him, but he is the only major journalist that still gives the LFA much needed exposure. Considering its by far the BEST car Lexus ever made, that should be a good thing.
JC know Lexus has the engineering prowess but the bean counters are in the way of Greatness.
As a Lexus fan - I concur with him and hope Mr. Toyoda is listining!
He summed up the clip by saying LFA costs 5x more than RCF so he wasnt expecting the same level of performance but he was looking for the spirit of the car.
That is a valid point on his part.
You can love or hate him, but he is the only major journalist that still gives the LFA much needed exposure. Considering its by far the BEST car Lexus ever made, that should be a good thing.
JC know Lexus has the engineering prowess but the bean counters are in the way of Greatness.
As a Lexus fan - I concur with him and hope Mr. Toyoda is listining!
03-03-15, 11:13 AM
#158
I think by now we know that RCF are not on par with the competition in term of speed and handling through 0-60, quarter miles, figure 8, g force measurement and track times.That is not just opinion but a fact now.
Some of you who bought it will find some means to justify your purchase but performance of RCF is definitely not your validation. You know by heart that you bought it for some other reasons whether you admit or deny it. I love Lexus as I own 2 IS but don't be blinded by the facts RCF is not on par with the competition in term of handling and speed.
The few main advantages of RCF is Lexus reliability, plus the advanced interior technology and the exhaust sound. The look department is subjective and has a love/hate relationship: some really love it and some others just hate it.
Some of you who bought it will find some means to justify your purchase but performance of RCF is definitely not your validation. You know by heart that you bought it for some other reasons whether you admit or deny it. I love Lexus as I own 2 IS but don't be blinded by the facts RCF is not on par with the competition in term of handling and speed.
The few main advantages of RCF is Lexus reliability, plus the advanced interior technology and the exhaust sound. The look department is subjective and has a love/hate relationship: some really love it and some others just hate it.
Last edited by FSportIS; 03-03-15 at 11:16 AM.
03-03-15, 11:54 AM
#159
I think by now we know that RCF are not on par with the competition in term of speed and handling through 0-60, quarter miles, figure 8, g force measurement and track times.That is not just opinion but a fact now.
Some of you who bought it will find some means to justify your purchase but performance of RCF is definitely not your validation. You know by heart that you bought it for some other reasons whether you admit or deny it. I love Lexus as I own 2 IS but don't be blinded by the facts RCF is not on par with the competition in term of handling and speed.
The few main advantages of RCF is Lexus reliability, plus the advanced interior technology and the exhaust sound. The look department is subjective and has a love/hate relationship: some really love it and some others just hate it.
Some of you who bought it will find some means to justify your purchase but performance of RCF is definitely not your validation. You know by heart that you bought it for some other reasons whether you admit or deny it. I love Lexus as I own 2 IS but don't be blinded by the facts RCF is not on par with the competition in term of handling and speed.
The few main advantages of RCF is Lexus reliability, plus the advanced interior technology and the exhaust sound. The look department is subjective and has a love/hate relationship: some really love it and some others just hate it.
Don't buy an RCF hoping to compete with M3 and C63 on pure performance. Buy RCF because it fits your needs and driving style.
03-03-15, 12:42 PM
#160
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OMG, You need some cheese with that whine.
Clarkson's job is to entertain, PERIOD! Which he did. Too bad you can't see it for what it is.
03-03-15, 01:38 PM
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They are probably better cars for it, but the thrill of not knowing of the car is going to lose control is gone, which was what made Lambos different. (besides the over the top styling)
03-03-15, 03:01 PM
#165
It's good for the RCF to get panned. If it affects sales then it will make Lexus come back with a better effort. A good review would only make them sit back on their laurels and continue to do what they do (bean count). Just look at the progressive improvements to the ISF. Its last iteration matched the M3. If there's any indication of effort or lack thereof on Lexus' part, just look at the soon to debut GSF. If you believe Lexus went "all in," then I will call your bluff because didn't Yaguchi state that more power could be extracted from the RCF engine?