RC-F in Top Gear [22x06] March 1st
03-02-15, 06:25 PM
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CR's resident car reviewers panned the Lexus IS, but did you see the result of the Consumer Report Reliability study for 2014? http://money.cnn.com/gallery/autos/2...ars/index.html
The IS is judged to be the most reliable luxury car of 2014. This is not the opinion of a handful of CR's reviewers. That's the collective wisdom of the millions of buyers of cars (i.e. the market) who responded to CR's survey. I put more weight on what the market said than on the opinions of a handful of self-anointed car experts.
Auto journalists look for qualities like "fun to drive" when praising a car to make themselves sound savvy and sexy, but for the people who actually pay the money to own the car, other characteristics (such as the vehicle not being a rolling coffin) come into play.
The IS is judged to be the most reliable luxury car of 2014. This is not the opinion of a handful of CR's reviewers. That's the collective wisdom of the millions of buyers of cars (i.e. the market) who responded to CR's survey. I put more weight on what the market said than on the opinions of a handful of self-anointed car experts.
Auto journalists look for qualities like "fun to drive" when praising a car to make themselves sound savvy and sexy, but for the people who actually pay the money to own the car, other characteristics (such as the vehicle not being a rolling coffin) come into play.
Plus, being a thin guy, the "cramped" interior suits me fine, while I can understand that a big guy would feel otherwise.
03-02-15, 06:26 PM
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he bashed the RCF but loved the LFA. He is not bashing it guys. Its just a heavy *** car and the torque difference in the drag race was obvious.......very obvious.
He loves the LFA and we rejoice. He hates the RCF and we call him a liar??? LOL
Oh there will be some panties in a bunch when the GSF makes it on the show.LOL. That car will be slaughtered in a drag race on the show
He loves the LFA and we rejoice. He hates the RCF and we call him a liar??? LOL
Oh there will be some panties in a bunch when the GSF makes it on the show.LOL. That car will be slaughtered in a drag race on the show
03-02-15, 06:31 PM
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I think as Lexus fans we too focused on what Jezza opinion is , What about Chris Harris verdict nobody seems to take that into account he might not have a popular car TV series that is watched by millions,to he is still a credible and realiable source of Automotive opinion.
03-02-15, 06:36 PM
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I think as Lexus fans we too focused on what Jezza opinion is , What about Chris Harris verdict nobody seems to take that into account he might not have a popular car TV series that is watched by millions,to he is still a credible and realiable source of Automotive opinion.
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03-02-15, 06:42 PM
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I think as Lexus fans we too focused on what Jezza opinion is , What about Chris Harris verdict nobody seems to take that into account he might not have a popular car TV series that is watched by millions,to he is still a credible and realiable source of Automotive opinion.
Chris Harris on Cars - Lexus RCF road and track test. - YouTube
Chris Harris on Cars - Lexus RCF road and track test. - YouTube
03-02-15, 06:52 PM
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I think as Lexus fans we too focused on what Jezza opinion is , What about Chris Harris verdict nobody seems to take that into account he might not have a popular car TV series that is watched by millions,to he is still a credible and realiable source of Automotive opinion.
Chris Harris on Cars - Lexus RCF road and track test. - YouTube
Chris Harris on Cars - Lexus RCF road and track test. - YouTube
hahahahaha
03-02-15, 07:24 PM
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03-02-15, 07:46 PM
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I think the fundamental problem with the review was that he was trying to compare the LFA to the RCF. Obviously the BMW M4 is a better class competitor to the RCF. While he did show a drag race between the RCF and M4, I think we all know that the BMW M4’s lower weight and higher torque will give it a major advantage in a drag race, so no surprises there. I think what we all wanted to see was a few hot laps and some lap times comparing the M4 to the RCF. I think this is where the RCF has surprised a few folks and might have provided a little more substance to the review.
Due to his love of the LFA, any comparison of any other car to the LFA is doomed to failure. It basically went like this: It’s heavier (than the LFA), it’s slower (than the LFA), no lap time needed, end of review. I was really disappointed with the RCF segment. Yes, it’s no LFA, and yes the M4 is faster in a drag race, but it is still does 0-60 in 4.5 seconds which is faster than most cars on the road, it sounds great, it handles great, I think it looks great, and it’s a great daily driver. I don't need Jeremy's opinion to validate my purchase. I live in the real world and not on a track, so for me, this car is a blast to drive and it puts a smile on my face every day
Due to his love of the LFA, any comparison of any other car to the LFA is doomed to failure. It basically went like this: It’s heavier (than the LFA), it’s slower (than the LFA), no lap time needed, end of review. I was really disappointed with the RCF segment. Yes, it’s no LFA, and yes the M4 is faster in a drag race, but it is still does 0-60 in 4.5 seconds which is faster than most cars on the road, it sounds great, it handles great, I think it looks great, and it’s a great daily driver. I don't need Jeremy's opinion to validate my purchase. I live in the real world and not on a track, so for me, this car is a blast to drive and it puts a smile on my face every day
03-02-15, 08:15 PM
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Missing the mark is so subjective. Whose mark? What if i just bought the RCF for the tail lights???
We are car enthusiasts. Every car has good and bad traits. What do YOU want out of a car?? That is all that matters. I drove the M4 on the track. It was a fidgety basket case with bland looks. So what? I still loved it. It is an awesome car. I truly appreciate the fact that we have choices.
03-02-15, 09:23 PM
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I feel bad for those who instead of going to the dealer and try the car for themselves just sit in home hoping to read a review that will convince them to buy the car.
The biggest problem with the negative reviews is that if they weren't told the weight of the car before testing it, it wouldn't be that much of a concern.
But nowadays you get called either a butthurt fanboy, or a butthurt hater.
The biggest problem with the negative reviews is that if they weren't told the weight of the car before testing it, it wouldn't be that much of a concern.
But nowadays you get called either a butthurt fanboy, or a butthurt hater.
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03-02-15, 11:05 PM
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Bought one that day !
The UK demonstrators arrived last week, I drove one at Ascari last December courtesy of local dealer, so spent last weekend testing it on the road and bought one of only 3 the dealer had for sale for 2015
Top Gear is my favourite programme so I was shocked by Clarksons dismissal of the RCF, and Top Gear magazine with the Sunday Times motoring column both rate it highly. Clarkson is the main contributor to both. So mixed messages, but he won't hurt sales they are virtually sold out here for 2015
Top Gear is my favourite programme so I was shocked by Clarksons dismissal of the RCF, and Top Gear magazine with the Sunday Times motoring column both rate it highly. Clarkson is the main contributor to both. So mixed messages, but he won't hurt sales they are virtually sold out here for 2015
03-03-15, 03:57 AM
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Do you believe this is a truth?
Clarkson has a DEFINITE agenda, and it runs deeper than most are seeing. The Italians and Japanese are building bad cars in his eyes. Of course, he will "scold" the Brits, but he loves the Rover--one of the most unreliable luxury SUVs in the world.
I posted the Tesla story as one example of what is going on with this guy.
Formulate your own opinions, but there is no grey area here. He materially misrepresents when it benefits his personal agenda. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason why the RC F was not driven by STIG on the track other than his fear of what the result would have been--exceptional in its class.
03-03-15, 04:14 AM
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I have a strong suspicion that you are 100% correct.
I feel bad for those who instead of going to the dealer and try the car for themselves just sit in home hoping to read a review that will convince them to buy the car.
The biggest problem with the negative reviews is that if they weren't told the weight of the car before testing it, it wouldn't be that much of a concern.
But nowadays you get called either a butthurt fanboy, or a butthurt hater.
The biggest problem with the negative reviews is that if they weren't told the weight of the car before testing it, it wouldn't be that much of a concern.
But nowadays you get called either a butthurt fanboy, or a butthurt hater.
03-03-15, 04:17 AM
#135
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Clarkson believes Lamborghini has lost its essence of the bull with the new Huracan.
Do you believe this is a truth?
Clarkson has a DEFINITE agenda, and it runs deeper than most are seeing. The Italians and Japanese are building bad cars in his eyes. Of course, he will "scold" the Brits, but he loves the Rover--one of the most unreliable luxury SUVs in the world.
I posted the Tesla story as one example of what is going on with this guy.
Formulate your own opinions, but there is no grey area here. He materially misrepresents when it benefits his personal agenda. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason why the RC F was not driven by STIG on the track other than his fear of what the result would have been--exceptional in its class.
Do you believe this is a truth?
Clarkson has a DEFINITE agenda, and it runs deeper than most are seeing. The Italians and Japanese are building bad cars in his eyes. Of course, he will "scold" the Brits, but he loves the Rover--one of the most unreliable luxury SUVs in the world.
I posted the Tesla story as one example of what is going on with this guy.
Formulate your own opinions, but there is no grey area here. He materially misrepresents when it benefits his personal agenda. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason why the RC F was not driven by STIG on the track other than his fear of what the result would have been--exceptional in its class.
Also RCF has NOT won even one comparison and for the most of top auto media outlets has been reviewed very poorly.
These are the same Auto Journalists that LOVE LFA, GT86/BRZ, current GS, current IS, past ISF.
So you cant really say they have an agenda.
Land Rover / Jaguar reliability issues are all in the past......they have been making reliable cars since at least 2010.
My dad owns a 2014 XJL now with 25k miles - no issues. Long term reliability obviously will not match Lexus but who keeps these cars for that long.
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