RCF is Faster than the M4 and Audi RS5 on a Closed Track
11-03-14, 04:31 PM
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RCF is Faster than the M4 and Audi RS5 on a Closed Track
Yes...a bold statement. And I am not baiting the hook for a Lexus versus BMW club flaming event. See the following:
http://www.lexus.com/documents/broch...MagSetting.pdf
See page 4 of 9.
Lexus has made this claim in their new brochure.
Knowing Lexus, this has been put to the test and confirmed. I am not surprised given the recent MotorTrend hot lap video.
http://www.lexus.com/documents/broch...MagSetting.pdf
See page 4 of 9.
Lexus has made this claim in their new brochure.
Knowing Lexus, this has been put to the test and confirmed. I am not surprised given the recent MotorTrend hot lap video.
11-03-14, 05:02 PM
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11-03-14, 05:53 PM
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"*AMCI Testing Certified, 1.8-mile test track; MY15 vehicles tested. RC F with Performance Package; RS 5 with 20-in wheels; M4 with M-Double-Clutch Transmission, Adaptive M Suspension, 19-in wheels"
So - not the Nurburgring or Fuji Speedway, as neither have a 1.8 mile configuration.
It could be Willow Springs, which does have a 1.8 mile road course. There are a lot more minor raceways that also have a 1.8 mile configuration, but I'd think it most likely that they would have done this on a major track. Since that also is the one in the Head2Head video, where the two cars came out so evenly matched on the road course, it is definitely believable (given that a serious driver like Randy Pobst was barely able to put down a 0.3s advantage for the M4 - with Carbon Ceramic Brakes no less - I'd find it reasonably likely that without the CCBs, the M4 might come in 2nd, and in any case, a 0.3s difference is so small that on a different day and a different driver, the RC-F could quite possibly pull it out).
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11-04-14, 09:59 AM
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From the fine print in the brochure:
"*AMCI Testing Certified, 1.8-mile test track; MY15 vehicles tested. RC F with Performance Package; RS 5 with 20-in wheels; M4 with M-Double-Clutch Transmission, Adaptive M Suspension, 19-in wheels"
So - not the Nurburgring or Fuji Speedway, as neither have a 1.8 mile configuration.
It could be Willow Springs, which does have a 1.8 mile road course. There are a lot more minor raceways that also have a 1.8 mile configuration, but I'd think it most likely that they would have done this on a major track. Since that also is the one in the Head2Head video, where the two cars came out so evenly matched on the road course, it is definitely believable (given that a serious driver like Randy Pobst was barely able to put down a 0.3s advantage for the M4 - with Carbon Ceramic Brakes no less - I'd find it reasonably likely that without the CCBs, the M4 might come in 2nd, and in any case, a 0.3s difference is so small that on a different day and a different driver, the RC-F could quite possibly pull it out).
"*AMCI Testing Certified, 1.8-mile test track; MY15 vehicles tested. RC F with Performance Package; RS 5 with 20-in wheels; M4 with M-Double-Clutch Transmission, Adaptive M Suspension, 19-in wheels"
So - not the Nurburgring or Fuji Speedway, as neither have a 1.8 mile configuration.
It could be Willow Springs, which does have a 1.8 mile road course. There are a lot more minor raceways that also have a 1.8 mile configuration, but I'd think it most likely that they would have done this on a major track. Since that also is the one in the Head2Head video, where the two cars came out so evenly matched on the road course, it is definitely believable (given that a serious driver like Randy Pobst was barely able to put down a 0.3s advantage for the M4 - with Carbon Ceramic Brakes no less - I'd find it reasonably likely that without the CCBs, the M4 might come in 2nd, and in any case, a 0.3s difference is so small that on a different day and a different driver, the RC-F could quite possibly pull it out).
It's just one hell of a car.
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11-04-14, 01:43 PM
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From the fine print in the brochure:
"*AMCI Testing Certified, 1.8-mile test track; MY15 vehicles tested. RC F with Performance Package; RS 5 with 20-in wheels; M4 with M-Double-Clutch Transmission, Adaptive M Suspension, 19-in wheels"
So - not the Nurburgring or Fuji Speedway, as neither have a 1.8 mile configuration.
It could be Willow Springs, which does have a 1.8 mile road course. There are a lot more minor raceways that also have a 1.8 mile configuration, but I'd think it most likely that they would have done this on a major track. Since that also is the one in the Head2Head video, where the two cars came out so evenly matched on the road course, it is definitely believable (given that a serious driver like Randy Pobst was barely able to put down a 0.3s advantage for the M4 - with Carbon Ceramic Brakes no less - I'd find it reasonably likely that without the CCBs, the M4 might come in 2nd, and in any case, a 0.3s difference is so small that on a different day and a different driver, the RC-F could quite possibly pull it out).
"*AMCI Testing Certified, 1.8-mile test track; MY15 vehicles tested. RC F with Performance Package; RS 5 with 20-in wheels; M4 with M-Double-Clutch Transmission, Adaptive M Suspension, 19-in wheels"
So - not the Nurburgring or Fuji Speedway, as neither have a 1.8 mile configuration.
It could be Willow Springs, which does have a 1.8 mile road course. There are a lot more minor raceways that also have a 1.8 mile configuration, but I'd think it most likely that they would have done this on a major track. Since that also is the one in the Head2Head video, where the two cars came out so evenly matched on the road course, it is definitely believable (given that a serious driver like Randy Pobst was barely able to put down a 0.3s advantage for the M4 - with Carbon Ceramic Brakes no less - I'd find it reasonably likely that without the CCBs, the M4 might come in 2nd, and in any case, a 0.3s difference is so small that on a different day and a different driver, the RC-F could quite possibly pull it out).
Apparently M4 non-carbon brakes will start fading after 5-6 laps on track, but I dont think they would use that to lower its performance.
11-04-14, 01:44 PM
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11-04-14, 01:47 PM
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The cars are equal and the asterisk makes this 'bold' statement meaningless as it is not an absolute.
It WAS faster on this one day at this one track. So when you line up at a stop light and get smoked by someone with driving skills sitting in the M4; you can't go back and then sue Lexus for false adverstising because you're not faster than an M4.
Way too much excitement over exactly what was to be expected. It's a drivers race, you will win some, you will lose some.
11-04-14, 04:28 PM
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Ummm it's a misdemeanor.
The cars are equal and the asterisk makes this 'bold' statement meaningless as it is not an absolute.
It WAS faster on this one day at this one track. So when you line up at a stop light and get smoked by someone with driving skills sitting in the M4; you can't go back and then sue Lexus for false adverstising because you're not faster than an M4.
Way too much excitement over exactly what was to be expected. It's a drivers race, you will win some, you will lose some.
The cars are equal and the asterisk makes this 'bold' statement meaningless as it is not an absolute.
It WAS faster on this one day at this one track. So when you line up at a stop light and get smoked by someone with driving skills sitting in the M4; you can't go back and then sue Lexus for false adverstising because you're not faster than an M4.
Way too much excitement over exactly what was to be expected. It's a drivers race, you will win some, you will lose some.
And yes, this is an outstanding accomplishment in the eyes of any auto enthusiast.
I trust the laps were driven by one driver and run many times to validate this powerful statement. Yaguchi is no one's fool.
BMW underestimated this car. It's not only a track machine but the best car in its class for versatile driving, i.e., road driving is how the majority of the buyers will use it.
* BTW: Going to jail for corporate misrepresentation of product claims and serving time is not a misdemeanor. That's why I use attorneys.
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11-04-14, 05:02 PM
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Ah...read what Lexus has officially stated. They DID NOT state that it was faster running light to light. Did they? Lexus said on a closed track it outperforms both cars. We're talking about an $85,000 ride.
And yes, this is an outstanding accomplishment in the eyes of any auto enthusiast.
I trust the laps were driven by one driver and run many times to validate this powerful statement. Yaguchi is no one's fool.
BMW underestimated this car. It's not only a track machine but the best car in its class for versatile driving, i.e., road driving is how the majority of the buyers will use it.
* BTW: Going to jail for corporate misrepresentation of product claims and serving time is not a misdemeanor. That's why I use attorneys.
And yes, this is an outstanding accomplishment in the eyes of any auto enthusiast.
I trust the laps were driven by one driver and run many times to validate this powerful statement. Yaguchi is no one's fool.
BMW underestimated this car. It's not only a track machine but the best car in its class for versatile driving, i.e., road driving is how the majority of the buyers will use it.
* BTW: Going to jail for corporate misrepresentation of product claims and serving time is not a misdemeanor. That's why I use attorneys.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/rc-...responses.html
11-05-14, 07:40 AM
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Looks like the RC-F is a better all round car than the M4.
Can match or even beat the M4 on the track.
More comfortable to own as a daily driver.
Probably more reliable.
Looks more special than the nondescript M4, which looks far too similar to a 328I.
Can match or even beat the M4 on the track.
More comfortable to own as a daily driver.
Probably more reliable.
Looks more special than the nondescript M4, which looks far too similar to a 328I.