Mr Bond

We should all know by now that the 0-60 time is a grip issue only , nothing else. You could add another 200 hp and the Merc would probably get slower than Rc-F up to 100 mph. Or simply make it AWD.

05RollaXRS

This has been posted like a bazillion times. You are not looking hard enough since M4 has weighed about 3610 lbs in many tests (with DCT). For example, the RC-F vs M4 test by Motor Trend.

05RollaXRS

Yes, I read your post. You still refuse to understand what I am saying. As 4tehngyen said, the thread you posted about the weight is laughable. His point is valid, no one knows what the owner has and more important has not on the car. No one has proof, if he has taken things out of the car.

Here you go. This particular configuration is a 6 speed manual M3 and it was put on a scale and it weighs 3600 lbs. Add another 30 - 40 lbs for the DCT weight and a DCT comparably equipped would have tipped the scale at 3630 - 3640 lbs.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...roup-a-bmw-m3/

It is a low-12 seconds car at best. The trap speed is the best indicator of how much power and it is consistent with low-to-mid 12s. That is what neutral objective testing shows consistently shows. Yes, there was some so-called freak run of 11.6 seconds at ATCO, but that has been well documented to be a quick track. Whether there is an elevation kink or powder track compound on it, it yields quicker than average times. There was a video a few years ago of a stock E46 M3 running 12.2 seconds on the ATCO track.

4TehNguyen

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the one in that test was a DCT

05RollaXRS

Check the edit again. 3595 lbs for BMW M3 with 6 speed manual. 1/4 mile 12.3@114 mph.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...roup-a-bmw-m3/

Motor

05RollaXRS

Short answer - Absolutely not.

The way I look at, can it hold up well against solid 12 seconds cars? It cannot. For example, a Porsche 911 Carrera S with PDK is a solid 12 - 12.1 seconds car and it is quicker than the M4. Same with Jaguar F Type R or Stingray Corvette.

If you want to believe the M4 is a 12 seconds car then you will have to bump the other cars that run 12 seconds, but are known to be faster than the M4 relatively speaking.

Most importantly, in a head-to-head drag race, the M4 was 5/10ths quick han RC-F in the same conditions and same track with the same driver.

RC-F is certainly not "a mile" behind. It was only 3/10th slower than M4 (equipped with optional carbon ceramic brakes) with Randy Pobst on the same track.

I think this video demonstrates what a "solid" 12 seconds performs like versus an M4.

Z3NK1

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DrRick

so wait...you used a video where a twin turbo 3 liter V6 just punches it from a dig...against a car with twice the displacement doing the same...as proof positive that the M4 isnt a 'solid 12 sec car'. why use that video to illustrate a point when no tests are done in that manner (ie...brake torquing/launch control)? did you expect anything different with a highly boosted car thats just idling vs a 6 liter v8? and we're just gonna ignore what happened when they went from a roll (which demonstrates, more accurately, how much power each car has)?

and then youre just gonna ignore how comparable both cars are in the real world?

05RollaXRS

OK, this is becoming ludicrous. The point of it was that there are several of 12 seconds car that are quicker than the M4 in a head to head race when put on the same road side by side. If one of the examples (for which I had seen a 12.0 seconds test a while back) was a 2/10ths quicker, that still does not change the fact that there are many 12.0 seconds car that are quicker than the M4.

In German car tests (AMS, AutoZeitung etc.) have done several direct head to head comparisons with Carrera S and it simply outclasses the M4 in every department and it is typically in the range of 12.1 - 12.3 seconds in those tests.

M4 is a low-to-mid 12 seconds range car. There is far more evidence of 12.2 - 12.4 seconds for the M4/M3 than there are 12.0 seconds. Simply no one can ever deny that, with objective and rational thinking.


Wrong. Road and track actually liked the RC-F more than the M4 for the "Performance car of the year" where they had a three way debate between M4, RC-F and Jaguar F Type R. They eliminated the M4 immediately and then it was between RC-F and M4.

Absolute BS. I quoted the test where RC-F and M4 were driven by the same driver, same day, same conditions and back to back. It could not get anymore apples to apples than that. If you want come up with your lame excuses, you go right ahead

(Maybe, it makes you feel better about your IS-F by putting down the RC-F? Perhaps?)

05RollaXRS

It would not have ended any other way no matter what. The M4 would have lost convincingly, IMO.

That was one example. Even a Juice Box Stage 4 (not 1, 2 or 3) tuned M4 could barely inch out a bone stock 6 speed manual Stingray (slower than auto) from a rolling start (no launch variability). In another one, a Dinan tuned M4 got beaten by a stock Stingray 8AT. Way too many videos all showing the same pattern.

I only wanted to post stock vs stock to make it apples to apples, which is why I picked that video.

Both of my prime examples (Porsche 911 Carrera S and Stingray) are typically tested somewhere in the low 12s. All I am saying is, the M4 is far more a low-to-mid-12 seconds car than anything else. I believe no one can deny this statement.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...e-specs-page-4

primecut

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Most importantly, 5/10ths at those trap speeds is equivalent to a bus length. It's not even close. You can split hairs all you want talking about whether the F8X is a "solid 12 second car" (What does that even mean?) at the end of the day, the RC-F is not in the same league in terms of acceleration. Fact.

DrRick

c'mon, man. youre gonna tell me that a JB4 on map 7 (there's not such thing as a 'stage' on the Burger Tunes) is gonna barely inch on a stock Vette when its putting 500/500 with race gas and bolt ons? hell...there are videos of the JB4 with map 1 (tune only) trapping 122+ mph.

thats 3 mph faster than any stock vette has posted on DT...


this is JB4 on map 7 vs a FBO GTR making about 600/600. and you think it would barely inch on a stock vette?

05RollaXRS

5/10ths = bus lengths?

OMG. This is getting just ridiculous at how the RC-F gets trashed. I know RC-F has it flaws, but by the same token I don't own the car, but I feel for the owners on this forum and the unfair flack and disrespect this gets by Lexus owners (no offense, but particularly IS-F owners and it is a very consistent pattern).

That is 5 car lengths at best according to my calculations in the 112 - 117 mph trap speed range.

p.s. A "solid 12 seconds" car means something that can consistently and repeatedly get that number. The M4 cannot. Plain and simple.

Look at this video and tell me at the finish line that 3/10ths at 115 mph trap speed is "bus lengths". It is 3 car lengths at best.


And while we are at:

Juice Box 4 Tuned BMW M4 vs Stock Corvette Stingray 6 speed manual

DrRick

thats on map 1. the '4' in 'Juice Box 4' doesnt have anything to do with stages....they are all tuning maps that you access from the steering wheel buttons.

anywho...this looks like its about to take a turn so im gonna eject before i get lumped into the collateral damage. let the record show that my posts had NOTHING to do with the RCF vs anything. hahahahaa