oohpapi44

iTrader: (1)

Agreed but since there is no such thing as an out of warranty M4 that exists yet then there is no data backing up the statement on which to base it.

And that 10k may be meaningless in the long run because of how much cheaper you can pick up the M at the end of the warranty period. links are showing a 12k difference. Everything balances out in the end.

ISF001

Chris "BMW" Harris = Predictable Verdicts on RC F. He apparently prefers out of control over steer, turbo lag off boost and at full puff, and conveniently has overlooked the RC F better track times at the certified AMCI, Road & Track PCOTY Motown mile...and the near dead heat times in the Motortrend test.

Go Chris.

ISF001

And a good thing for the bimmer owners. I am sure that there are others in the club who lived the BMW maintenance experience. I knew more than I cared to know about the Service Manager and his family.

Mr Bond

Chris Harris review is only his own thoughts. What he feels has nothing to do with reality in terms of performance or lap times. We all know that the difference in laptimes between M4 and Rc-F is very small, probably CH too.

ISF001

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/608...east-unleashed

ISF001

I don't think most of the buyers are going to track it.

The response is just so typical Chris Harris ala BMW.

The RCF has already proven its track prowess in comparisons with the M4 (and RS5). It just irks me (and I believe others) that he thinks the car can be dismissed when the track results have more than once pointed in the opposition direction with the RCF on top.

The M4 is a veritable coffin on wheels for the majority of the buyers--excessive over steering combined with uncontrollable and unpredictable turbo lag and boost can rapidly overpower the driver. It's a wrestling match with no winner.

I would conjecture the RCF was submitted to at least as much track testing as the M4--if not more. Pound away! It's the turbo-powered engine that's likely to incur major problems within the first 20-30K miles. The ISF is testimony to how Lexus' V8 is a true thoroughbred.

BTW: If I were Lexus, I too would have made him cross the great pond to only drive the new beast 2 laps, and then sent him home with his tail between his legs. Presumptuous, slipshod, and "wishful thinking" is how I interpret this imperious piece of yellow journalism on Harris' "drive."

czar07

Track results =/= a car that you would want to drive on a track. I would much rather have a lighter and more tossable car at a track than one that feels heavy and cumbersome. Thats what Harris is talking about.


Was the Supra with its unpredictable turbo lag and boost a coffin on the wheels too? Any car is a death trap if you drive it like an idiot. Oversteer is not dangerous, its fun. BRZ/FRS, case and point.

Pure conjecture about engine problems...but to be fair a Lexus will always be more reliable.


Why do car forums have such biased knee jerk reactions now days? You dont have to like the M4, but the fact of the matter is in terms of fun on the track the RCF has nothing on it. On the road its a matter of preference. I love the mid range kick of a turbo engine, but a NA V8 sounds pretty amazing too.

Z3NK1

iTrader: (2)

Yea I think it's getting worse, the number of fanboys on forums are making them less enjoyable. I've found CL to be a rather respectful and informative forum over the years, hopefully it doesn't start becoming like Zilvia or Bimmerforums.

TimboIS

I agree, some are to the point, they border on paid support they're so unbelievably pro biased.

ISF001

Different strokes for different folks. Track time is about time for serious drivers. Drifting may be fun but it is not fast.

We buy cars for different reasons. I bought the carbon TVD for closed circuit and just everyday fun when conditions permit. Harris gave a provincial review at best of what at this point appears to be the faster track car. There is plenty of time to disprove or confirm his cursory glance.

We buy cars for different reasons.

ISF001

http://recombu.com/cars/article/lexus-rc-f-review

ISF001

rominl

iTrader: (4)

i probably missed your post before, but why did you cancel the rcf order?

rcf15

Because people (myself included) like to feel and have others agree with them that they have made the right choice, despite of the few shortcomings.

The main reason I didn't go with the M4 is the really bad warranty support in my country. I've heard stories of how some components have failed for no reason within months of purchase and the dealer refuse to cover it.

ISF001

Precisely. Like you, I considered the M4 as well--had to look at it.

I found this comparison video of interest.