Z3NK1

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He tries to drift everything, that's just his thing lol

rcf15

Bimmer guys watching the CH review will most likely laugh their asses off, but the truth is that in order to squeeze all that performance out of the M4 (in a track) one should be a expert driver to some level.

Sadly, most people behind the wheel of a fast car will immediately think of themselves as F1 drivers with amazing skills, so the idea of the M4 being much faster than the RC-F will always remain for the public. Although I think the differences will be negligible in the real world, let's say street/spirited driving.

What the RC-F lacks compared to the M4, it gains it back in driver-friendliness, quality, reliability and resale value.

The thing with sports car is that in some reviews they want to focus only in the power and ability to track it, and not in the other important features such as comfort and ease to use as a daily drive.

DShiekhi

Chris Harris Gets His Hands on the RC F



On its website, Lexus states the RC F was "developed to satisfy the most demanding driving enthusiasts." Apparently, they didn't know who Chris Harris is when they went to the engineering lab and test track...or did they?

Read the rest on the ClubLexus.com homepage. >>

natnut

Get in the RC F and press the starter button hidden, out of place, next to the gauges. That little tingle crawling up your spine is perfectly normal. Point that gaping rabid spindle maw at your nearest runway, skidpad, industrial plant, Ken Block Gymkhana set, or empty freeway on-ramp. Step on the throttle, hard. Harder, firmer! (Stop giggling!) Watch that trick digital gauge, front and center, as bright as Times Square: when the needle hits about 3,700 RPM the windshield gets blurry, the blood rushes to the head, the chests of every occupant is shoved firmly against the seatbacks, and the exhaust baffles open up and the cabin fills with a WOOOOHHHHHHHH, deep and warbly and just slightly parodic of itself. At this moment, it is the Loudest Thing in the Known Universe. And it rings with the same unmistakable baritone earthquake as the last genuinely insane Lexus—the dearly departed IS F.


Oh, yes, the IS F—Lexus’s first hot-rod experiment in that most American vein, whose inventors should be enshrined in the Hot Rodder’s Hall of Fame, right next to Bob Hirohata. The RC F is 200 pounds heavier, but packs 50 more horsepower: it’s the ISF, only more in every direction. It shares the ISF’s 5.0-liter V8, but with a lighter crankshaft, forged rods, 32 titanium valves…outside it’s all ducts, fans, flares, and gaping maws that could swallow jaywalking schoolchildren, all of which will score points with any wannabe street racer east of the 710 Freeway. It’s all very exciting.


Given the above, the RC F puts on a good show. All singing, all dancing, tail-wiggling, noise-making. If you conjure a performance bent out of nowhere, you’re allowed to be shouty. Interestingly enough, the turn signals ping exactly like grandfather clocks, the cupholders squeak incessantly when stuffed with plastic water bottles, and the stacked diagonal exhaust tips are finally real exhaust tips. But that’s neither here nor there.

What is important, however, is that the RC F addresses two of Lexus’s greatest shortcomings: first, its clumsy traction control. Turn the drive selector **** twice to the right, for Sport Plus: the steering firms up, the throttle gets touchier, and the brakes are preloaded for the exuberantly talentless. And here, if you press the traction control button, once, you immediately enter “EXPERT Mode.“ Expert! Nothing more could stoke the ego of our Playstation generation: hell yeah I got all my A licenses in Gran Turismo! Time to take every off-ramp sideways! LIFE DON’T HAVE A RESET BUTTON, SON!


Which is appropriate, this video-game thing. Because even though the plasticky paddles lend it a Forza feel, they control what is finally one of the RC F’s biggest improvements: it finally has a competent transmission.

The eight-speed automatic shifts hard on full attack, upshifts as fast as you can flick the paddles: bam. Bam. Bam. In certain modes, it even kicks a little bit. (Though not like the BMW M4, the RC F’s archnemesis, which boots you in the kidneys with steel-tipped Doc Martens.) It’ll hold a gear until it’s aurally painful to do so, then blip the throttle on a downshift just like a 21st-century sporting machine should. Even the LFA had an automatic that “kinda sucks.” But now, here it is: a Lexus transmission that does a seamless job of transmitting!


Turn an RC F through a corner and the effect is a slight delay through that heavy, cliff-like proboscis, before the Torsen mechanical limited-slip differential squares away the rear, eager and snappy, and the traction control lets swing a nice arc before calling it in. You’ll get addicted jumping around every intersection at full throttle. The brakes are terrific. The steering is weighty, which is nice, but slightly numb, which is not. Crash over a particularly rough stretch and while the jolty suspension will send shivers all up your glutes, the wheel will remain rock steady, a triumphant exorcism of both feel and bump steer. (It’s a nice time to mention that the seats are wonderful: thin and flowing and perfectly sculpted.) But the wheel itself is small in diameter and absurdly thick, like squeezing a fat lil’ Buddha—and for our purposes, it’s just what a wheel should feel like.

That suspension corners nearly flat, all the time. It jolts, sure, but it is never abusive, never crashing. Our producer for the Hooniverse Podcast, Chris Hayes, met up with a girl for a date—as you do, when handed the keys—when she asked, where shall we go for dinner? “Why not Santa Barbara?” he said. So they blasted the 95 miles to Santa Barbara, then back, at night, in under an hour. Why not, indeed. The long-legged RC F can do this to people.


Lexus wants to take out BMW and the M4, which is a given, because every luxury manufacturer short of Bristol wants to take out BMW and the M4 these days. What’s the biggest difference between this and the M4? You can have fun with the RC F at any speed. The M4 sneers at your lack of talent, your nonchalance, your daily driving—it grumbles and protests below 10/10ths, and will continue to do so until you press 37 separate buttons to put it back in its place. If you don’t panic-flog an M4 to the upper limits of your nerves it yawns like a bored supermodel, unimpressed at your attempts at sexual fulfillment.


Lexus had to conjure a performance bent out of nowhere, and the LFA is suffering for it*—and yet it worked on the IS F, the ground level of a side of Lexus we once considered new, and groundbreaking, and impossible. With the RC F—and the recently unveiled Lexus GS F—dare we say we now expect it?



http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...rc-f-reviewed/

Thanks to Vh_Supra26 for first finding this review.

natnut

Wow, this review is brutal on the M4 and IMO brilliantly highlights its flaws versus the RC-F and encapsulates why the RC-F is the superior car for 99.9% of all prospective car owners out there.

gyrase321

The bigger question is, why does your purchasing decision need to be validated by the concurring opinion of strangers on the web like Chris Harris? Are you that insecure that you can't make your own assessment? When buying a car, you first need to know yourself (i.e. your personality, your needs), and know the car. Then, check if the two of you are a good match for each other. Screw Chris Harris and his ilk.

The alleged superiority of the M4 over the RCF vis a vis the needs and driving habits of 99% of people who buy these cars is nothing more than a placebo effect.

BAlbright

Cool review. My car is due in a few weeks (ordered in November). I could have purchased an M4 for $100 over dealer invoice from the dealership I used to work for. Looking at the reliability and maintenance costs of owning a German car, it was a no-brainer to choose the RCF. I can't wait till it comes in!

czar07

If only the RC-F was 300kg lighter...

what is the reason the car weighs so much more than the M4 which is similar sized?

Chris8152

[QUOTE=czar07;8917726]If only the RC-F was 300kg lighter...

what is the reason the car weighs so much more than the M4 which is similar sized?[/QUOTE


The weight issue must be materials, you only have to lift the hood on both cars to see no soundproofing what so ever on the M4 and the carpets in the RCF seem much thicker, the problem is that you want luxury and weight reduction and a competitively priced car and iam not sure is that possible?.

05RollaXRS

That is part of the great marketing strategy of BMW. Their official press release had dry weights stated, which was far less than what it weighed on the scales.

In all of the tests, the RC-F has weighed at the most 400 lbs more, which is 180 KG. But, since Chris Harris is going by what their official claimed weights are, the difference is coming out to be 300 KG (which is a whopping 660 lbs).

oohpapi44

iTrader: (1)

I don't see any evidence of huge differences in cost.

http://www.cars.com/bmw/m4/2015/costofownership

http://www.cars.com/lexus/rc-f/2015/costofownership

DrRick

good lord at the depreciation of the M...

4TehNguyen

iTrader: (1)

there is a $12k difference in depreciation between the cars. The maintenance figures are kinda meh, you dont have to get the full blown maintenance packages for either car. Would like to see how these figures really bear out the first year seems high for both cars. Even my IS which is a lot more common did not lose 25% the first year.

basic and powertrain warranty on M is 4 years/50k instead of the usual 4year/48k basic and 6 year/70k powertrain. Watch it nosedive after that total cut off in warranty

obturator

Frankenstein chassis, that's why.

Ryanmcd

This is because the 1st few years include maintenance on the BMW, even wiper-blades. Take it outside of warranty, that's what a in warranty car vs an out of warranty car is about 10k+ difference.