4TehNguyen

iTrader: (1)

yes thats why I only mentioned 2IS350, the 2011+ can match the previous M3

AussieISF

Pretty much what I've been saying all this while, I've driven the RCF for around 2 hours around a variety of streets, and I wasn't blown away compared to a late model ISF. Anything you gain will be in very small amounts, and the ISF definitely feels naughtier. Played with the different TVD settings and while they do help the car to power out of the corners better, you feel the weight.

2 weeks ago a friend test drove both and bought the last ISF that was on sale in my state. Sad to see the end of an era. The loss of 2 useable back seats is also a factor, people with kids want back seats. At least we know the GSF is coming!

The fact of the matter is if you want an F car now, there is no other option.

I'll probably get the RCF once they start getting heavily discounted when the GSF arrives and I can do a proper shootout with the wife!

ISF001

ZERO5RX330

Every review I have looked at (and sent to me) so far has the M4 winning the track battles. Can someone point me to one where the RCF wins the track battle? I have read a few references to the latter but I can't find evidence of the RCF win on Youtube or anywhere...I need to adjust the gloat factor of a buddy of mine lol. Thanks.

Chris8152

ISF001

The RC-F was also faster than the M4 in the Road & Track PCOTY Motown Mile.

The RC F ran the course in 56.08 and came in 19th among an impressive stable of 44 cars.

The RC-F was faster on this course than many of the cars including:

The M4 ran it at 57.47.
The Cayman s at 56.73.
The Shelby GT500 at 56.19.
The Audi RS5 at 56.83.
The Hellcat at 56.37.

Feel free to check the times.

ZERO5RX330

Haha...Schweeeeet....Thanks guys.

ISF001

Here are more details--just found the link.
http://www.2009gtr.com/2014/11/the-2...ce-car-of.html


THE LEADERBOARD--The Top 25

1 2014 Ferrari 458 Speciale 51.92 sec 142.1 mph
2 2015 Nissan GT-R Nismo 51.93 sec 141.7 mph
3 2014 Porsche 911 GT3 52.18 sec 139.7 mph
4 2015 Dodge Viper SRT TA 52.36 sec 137.2 mph
5 2013 Ferrari F12Berlinetta 52.97 sec 144.4 mph
6 2014 Porsche 911 Turbo 53.02 sec 140.5 mph
7 2014 Mercedes SLS AMG Black Series 53.66 sec 135.8 mph
8 2014 Nissan GT-R Track Edition 53.76 sec 135.6 mph
9 2013 SRT Viper 54.55 sec 138.9 mph
10 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 54.66 sec 131.2 mph
11 2014 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 54.80 sec 135.5 mph
12 2013 Porsche 911 Carrera 55.03 sec 133.5 mph
13 2014 Audi R8 V10 55.18 sec 135.9 mph
14 2012 Lexus LFA 55.48 sec 130.6 mph
15 2015 BMW M3 55.53 sec 132.3 mph
16 2015 Jaguar F-Type V8 55.84 sec 134.4 mph
17 2013 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 55.86 sec 133.9 mph
18 2013 BMW M6 Competition Pack 55.89 sec 133.8 mph
19 2015 Lexus RC F 56.08 sec 128.8 mph
20 2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 56.19 sec 134.8 mph
21 2013 Jaguar XFR-S 56.33 sec 131.6 mph
22 2015 Dodge Challenger Hellcat 56.37 sec 131.5 mph
23 2015 Jaguar F-Type R 56.37 sec 133.5 mph
24 2014 Porsche Cayman S 56.73 sec 125.1 mph
25 2015 Ford Mustang GT 56.81 sec 127.2 mph

toyotatom

I did check the times, not sure why you included the M4's time against the RCF on the Motown Mile ( run different days) when the M3 beat the RCF on the same track at the same event, PCOTY testing. The M3 was almost 2 seconds faster than the M4 which leads me to believe there were issues with the track or weather or car the day it ran the track. M3 should not be that much faster than the M4.

ISF001

These are the numbers as published by Road & Track, and they based their ranking accordingly. I have no idea what went on at the track, on what days, wet, dry, etc.

From what I am reading, the M3 has had faster runs than the M4, FYIW.

We should keep this thread on track with coverage on the RC-F and avoid a shut down. We can move to PMs if so desired.

oohpapi44

iTrader: (1)

Don't waste your time 'gloating over a supposed win', you'd look as silly as some of the fanboys who do it here. The cars are almost identical and it will come down to driver ability.

ZERO5RX330

Relax sir. We are both adults in our 40's...This is nothing more that fun ribbing betweens my friend and I...Im a Lexus guy hes a Bimmer guy nothin more nothing less. I dont get down with the hate and ridiculousness of some rivalry's.

Thanks for the list ISF001. Beating Cayman S is impressive considering the huge weight and dynamic advantage of that mid-engined Porsche not to mention the GT500 monster. Its even a hair off the M6 competition. Very nice. Just imagine what it could have done with just bit less weight to haul around.

oohpapi44

iTrader: (1)

lol I'm very relaxed and just trying to help you out in dealing with a BMW guy in an argument. If you're going to waste your time arguing with one, then it's worth having a substantiated premise on which to participate.

Motown Mile comes with an asterik (set up by Lexus, released by Lexus) and someone else has already posted the disparity about the results for the other. Just not worth arguing over these 'definitive' results. The cars are pretty much equal at this point when it comes to track results.

ISF001

The Motown Mile is not set up by Lexus. It is set up by Road & Track.

I believe you meant the certified AMCI testing.

ZERO5RX330

Well thanks for looking out but as I said my friend and I aren't about that type of rivelry...We just rib each other. Nothing but friendly.

As for the results yes I agree that the test done on two different days should not be considered together especially when the M3 ran with the RCF on the same day and won lap time wise between the two. They are close enough but the Lex heft hurts it. But to be that close despite giving up that much weight speaks volumes about the cars setup. Just imagine if it was M4's weight it might have walked over the M4. Well if's are ifs and they work in both directions. Two great sport sedans and you cant go wrong with imho.