4TehNguyen

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M4 weighing less than a C7 Stingray? Good luck

melbitoast

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Yeah, I did. Both cars are V8's, yet the RC-F is expected to weigh almost 200lbs more. Why? Is the 200 extra pounds comprised of technologies that will make it outperform the IS-F? Considering that during the 5-6 year history of the IS-F the M3 was always considered the benchmark, this IS-F "replacement" is incredibly disappointing due to the weight gain. However, I'll refrain from any final opinions until performance results are available.

I'm not even sure why you're bringing the IS350 into this. The IS-F is considerably faster than an IS350 despite the 200lbs. Well, this RC-F does not appear to be considerably faster than an IS-F. If these 2 V8 cars weighed the same, then I'd be excited.

And up until this morning, nothing I read leading into today's reveal indicated that the M was NOT the benchmark. Lexus does not carry the exclusivity of an Aston, so saying that's what this RC-F is like or what Lexus was aiming at is either stupid (by you) or over-zealous (by Lexus). Lexus doesn't need another freakin' GT type car!! That's why they've got the GS and LS F-sport.

F enthusiasts wanted another F with performance comparable to a M. After equal performance was achieved at Nurburging (either in 2010 or 2011), we (or at least I) expected the new F to achieve nothing less. My gut says we're going to be disappointed. But again, I won't make a final opinion about this car until the performance results come out.

BNR34

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Just look up test data of all cars, is all out there. The 2012 GTR is sick fast, other then the turbo 4WD 911 Turbo S that can match it's performance, the lowest spec naturally aspirated RWD car that "matches" the performance of a GTR is the 458 Italia at 570 hp 3400 lbs, with the engine sitting on top of the rear wheels to give it optimum traction.

Even the LFA is no where near as fast as a GTR.

So yeah if performance is what you want, GTR is the only car, hands down.

12 years ago, I was young and just wanted speed to smoke everyone on the street, I bought a GTR, I didn't consider anything else. I couldn't afford a 911 Turbo at the time.

BNR34

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M4 got huge turbo boosted low end torque, seemless dual clutch shifting, lighter weight, not to mention the competition package car will have 450 hp stock. Nope this RC-F have no chance in hell to ever smoking a M4, unless the BMW breaks down and go into limp mode, which is often

Then with mods, M4 is only one chip away from having 500 hp.

If you want speed, RC-F is not the car.

But speed is not everything

You are correct, performance wise, this RC-F is a very negligible upgrade to the current IS-F. 200 lbs pretty much cancel out the 30 hp increase.

4TehNguyen

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the point was it isnt going to get lighter when you drop a V8 in it, hence why the ISF gained 200 lbs over the IS350. So why would someone expect the RCF suddenly be 200 lbs lighter after a V8 is dropped in it? Expecting it to be lighter than the IS350 is like expecting the M4 (going to be nowhere near 3300 lbs) to weigh less than the C7 vette or LFA which weigh more than 3300 lbs

melbitoast

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Well then it sounds like Joe-Z needs to get to work!

melbitoast

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Where are you getting this crap? I never said I expected the RC-F to weigh 200lbs less! My first post said that I was very disappointed with the weight gain. I then said I expected to weigh less, but not by 200 lbs. Are you confusing me with someone else or just making crap up?

BNR34

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I said the show car is on threaded coilover, the production car will not

That's another sure bet, the car you will find in the showroom will definitely not have the stance of the show car. It will after you added lowering springs and wheel spacers.

4TehNguyen

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sorry got you partially confused with post 41

melbitoast

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Gotcha. Christ, I thought I was arguing with my ex-wife for a minute!

BNR34

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M4, C63 and RS5 are dead on benchmark for this RCF. RCF is not a GT car.

melbitoast

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Thank you!

BNR34

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Well with all bolt on mods, this RC-F should be as fast as a stock M4.

Again who cares about speed? If you truely just want speed, buy a GTR, chip it and you are done, go enjoy smoking everyone and bikes too

4TehNguyen

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M4 - expect this to be 3700 minimum. Remember when the 1 series was suppose to be 3200-3300, it was really 3450+
C63 AMG - 3800 lbs
RS5 - 4039 lbs

melbitoast

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It was discussed in another thread "will there be a 3rd-gen IS-F" I believe that BMW posts dry weights, and that ~200lbs could be added once all fluids are put in. So given the 3300-3400 we saw, 3500-3600 seems logical.

I have no idea about Mercs or Audis, so I won't even try to chime in.