RC-F spotted in LA
01-09-14, 06:34 PM
#46
Lexus Test Driver
It has a crouching tiger ready to spring into action stance. The Deep Blue paint is hypnotic. The erie silence will undoubtably be shattered by the air gulping V8 reaching its 7300 RPM limit. Godspeed......
Last edited by Rockville; 01-09-14 at 06:36 PM. Reason: Spelling
01-13-14, 06:59 AM
#49
Lexus Champion
02-23-14, 04:01 PM
#52
I think $80k gets you the base and all desirable options--carbon fiber roof and hood, upgrades to the interior, etc.
02-23-14, 11:32 PM
#53
Or what I mean is, base RC F compared to what? RC F without those options you mentioned? If that's what you meant, then what do you predict the RC F without those options to MSRP around?
02-24-14, 08:41 AM
#54
That pricing sounds about reasonable for this car. It should be on par with a CTS-V Coupe and M3/M4 Coupe.
And at this point I fully expect Lexus to introduce a strong and fast dual-clutch manual as the transmission on the RC-F. Since they're so vehemently against three-pedal manuals to the point of not even trying in the last few years they need to do away with any iteration of a torque-convertor automatic in their F vehicles from now on.
Looks good though.
And at this point I fully expect Lexus to introduce a strong and fast dual-clutch manual as the transmission on the RC-F. Since they're so vehemently against three-pedal manuals to the point of not even trying in the last few years they need to do away with any iteration of a torque-convertor automatic in their F vehicles from now on.
Looks good though.
- speaking as someone who owns a car with one and loves it. I still recognize they have TONS of issues. I already had to have mine taken apart to replace a sensor @ 35k miles. Audi has a TSB out for it.
04-13-14, 11:46 AM
#55
Infra, what model Audi do you own with the dual-clutch if you don't mind my asking? RS5?
I think design quality depends on each manufacturer unless Getrag starts designing one with Toyota. I was helping my girlfriend car shop and we tried one of the Dodge Dart 1.4T dual-clutch models-- absolutely terrible responsiveness but to be fair it wasn't an expensive car... or a sports car. Fiat/Dodge definitely made a dud transmission there. Still, if the reason Toyota/Lexus haven't implemented one yet outside of the stratospheric LFA comes down to reliability issues then they're doing their marketing wrong: only torque-convertor automatics? A short-lived 6-speed manual on their laughably underpowered IS250 but not on their appropriately powerful IS350? Even within the extremely narrow target audience for stick-shift luxury cars they weren't even trying.
The M4 offers both a traditional 6-speed manual AND a dual-clutch automated manual. The 8-speed auto would be fine in the GS-F but not with a BMW M3/4 fighter.
I think design quality depends on each manufacturer unless Getrag starts designing one with Toyota. I was helping my girlfriend car shop and we tried one of the Dodge Dart 1.4T dual-clutch models-- absolutely terrible responsiveness but to be fair it wasn't an expensive car... or a sports car. Fiat/Dodge definitely made a dud transmission there. Still, if the reason Toyota/Lexus haven't implemented one yet outside of the stratospheric LFA comes down to reliability issues then they're doing their marketing wrong: only torque-convertor automatics? A short-lived 6-speed manual on their laughably underpowered IS250 but not on their appropriately powerful IS350? Even within the extremely narrow target audience for stick-shift luxury cars they weren't even trying.
The M4 offers both a traditional 6-speed manual AND a dual-clutch automated manual. The 8-speed auto would be fine in the GS-F but not with a BMW M3/4 fighter.
04-13-14, 02:34 PM
#56
Lexus Test Driver
There are Ferrari 458 Italia that are on their third dual clutch transmission. Ferrari uses a single-clutch automated manual in the 458 Italia challenge for endurance racing.
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...-problems.html
BMW M-DCT hesitation and lag issues
http://www.utahjusticelaw.com/bmw-m3...-failures.html
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142347
The dual clutches are notorious for having poor reliability and also being too bulky. There is a very good reason why dual clutches are not being touched with a 10 foot poll in racing and still gold standard is still set with single-clutch automated manuals for the foreseeable future.
I can understand why Lexus is still sticking to torque converter automatics in mass produced cars. However, the clutch locking mechanism in manual mode completely eliminates any slippage and slushy feel and results in crisp manual-like shifts in the 8 speed auto, which is why it is a great transmission.
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...-problems.html
BMW M-DCT hesitation and lag issues
http://www.utahjusticelaw.com/bmw-m3...-failures.html
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142347
The dual clutches are notorious for having poor reliability and also being too bulky. There is a very good reason why dual clutches are not being touched with a 10 foot poll in racing and still gold standard is still set with single-clutch automated manuals for the foreseeable future.
I can understand why Lexus is still sticking to torque converter automatics in mass produced cars. However, the clutch locking mechanism in manual mode completely eliminates any slippage and slushy feel and results in crisp manual-like shifts in the 8 speed auto, which is why it is a great transmission.
Infra, what model Audi do you own with the dual-clutch if you don't mind my asking? RS5?
I think design quality depends on each manufacturer unless Getrag starts designing one with Toyota. I was helping my girlfriend car shop and we tried one of the Dodge Dart 1.4T dual-clutch models-- absolutely terrible responsiveness but to be fair it wasn't an expensive car... or a sports car. Fiat/Dodge definitely made a dud transmission there. Still, if the reason Toyota/Lexus haven't implemented one yet outside of the stratospheric LFA comes down to reliability issues then they're doing their marketing wrong: only torque-convertor automatics? A short-lived 6-speed manual on their laughably underpowered IS250 but not on their appropriately powerful IS350? Even within the extremely narrow target audience for stick-shift luxury cars they weren't even trying.
The M4 offers both a traditional 6-speed manual AND a dual-clutch automated manual. The 8-speed auto would be fine in the GS-F but not with a BMW M3/4 fighter.
I think design quality depends on each manufacturer unless Getrag starts designing one with Toyota. I was helping my girlfriend car shop and we tried one of the Dodge Dart 1.4T dual-clutch models-- absolutely terrible responsiveness but to be fair it wasn't an expensive car... or a sports car. Fiat/Dodge definitely made a dud transmission there. Still, if the reason Toyota/Lexus haven't implemented one yet outside of the stratospheric LFA comes down to reliability issues then they're doing their marketing wrong: only torque-convertor automatics? A short-lived 6-speed manual on their laughably underpowered IS250 but not on their appropriately powerful IS350? Even within the extremely narrow target audience for stick-shift luxury cars they weren't even trying.
The M4 offers both a traditional 6-speed manual AND a dual-clutch automated manual. The 8-speed auto would be fine in the GS-F but not with a BMW M3/4 fighter.
Last edited by 05RollaXRS; 04-13-14 at 02:42 PM.
04-13-14, 04:09 PM
#58
Lead Lap
This is misleading. Reliability is definitely not the ONLY reason why dual clutches arent used. By-laws and other rules have a big part to play in it as well. Whats the point of racing if the computer is controlling pretty much every shift? Plus single clutch sequentials are just as fast as dual clutches.
04-13-14, 04:44 PM
#59
Liquid Bra Champion
I can understand why Lexus is still sticking to torque converter automatics in mass produced cars. However, the clutch locking mechanism in manual mode completely eliminates any slippage and slushy feel and results in crisp manual-like shifts in the 8 speed auto, which is why it is a great transmission.
Last edited by TimboIS; 04-13-14 at 04:50 PM.
04-13-14, 05:18 PM
#60
Lexus Test Driver
As you seem to selectively ignore... a single clutch might 'technically' be able change gears as fast, but cannot deliver the power as fast or smoothly. There will always be a disruption of power to the wheels with a single clutch. I've launched the McLaren may times, 8,500rpm red line shifts, never any issues. Give me dual-clutch any day. I guess it all depends who makes the DCT.
Last edited by 05RollaXRS; 04-13-14 at 05:28 PM.
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