CAR Magazine: RCF Carbon vs. Mustang GT vs. M4 Guess who wins?
01-26-16, 06:08 PM
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CAR Magazine: RCF Carbon vs. Mustang GT vs. M4 Guess who wins?
Spoiler: RCF Carbon wins 1st place. Didn't even know they made an RCF Carbon version, which is roughly 3700lbs *edit* Looks like the magazine is completely wrong on the weight, go figure. Anyway, 
for the RCF!
for the RCF!
Last edited by RSXiMUS; 01-29-16 at 08:46 AM.
01-26-16, 07:53 PM
#2
Finally a review that favored the RCF vs the M4. YaaaaY!!
The mustang GT is no match for these vehicles and they should have replaced it with the Shelby GT350 or even the 2016 Chevrolet Camaro SS. The results would have been very interesting with that lineup.
The mustang GT is no match for these vehicles and they should have replaced it with the Shelby GT350 or even the 2016 Chevrolet Camaro SS. The results would have been very interesting with that lineup.
Last edited by finny76; 01-26-16 at 07:58 PM.
01-26-16, 08:16 PM
#3
RCF carbon is not 3700# its the same as the Perf Pack here just with a CF hood, nor does an M4 weigh 3300#, nor does a GT weigh 3619#. Looks like europe gets a slightly neutered GT, since its 435hp here.
Last edited by 4TehNguyen; 01-26-16 at 08:24 PM.
01-26-16, 09:16 PM
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01-27-16, 07:47 AM
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Very cool find. Thanks for posting! Even the newer comparison of the M4 vs the RC F on Fifth Gear just about gave the RC F the nod. The press is really starting to come around on it, after the initial wave of bad press following it''s release.
I might have to track this mag down at a Barnes and Noble or something.
I might have to track this mag down at a Barnes and Noble or something.
01-27-16, 11:13 AM
#6
Two things. First, no way a C/F hood lowers curb weight 300 lbs over a C/F pack US RC-F. So those guys obviously didn't have a scale. The only way an RC-F would weigh 3,700 lbs is without seats. And maybe without something else
. Second, wish the test was done in dry conditions too, and as mentioned, with the GT350. Anyway, I liked that they chose the RC-F over the M4, even though it was trounced in acceleration by quite a bit. This is the kind of test I like: SUBJECTIVE. We all know the RC-F will always lose vs lighter and sportier competitors. But most of us buy these cars for the overall package, not just all-out performance. It was a great read. Thanks.
. Second, wish the test was done in dry conditions too, and as mentioned, with the GT350. Anyway, I liked that they chose the RC-F over the M4, even though it was trounced in acceleration by quite a bit. This is the kind of test I like: SUBJECTIVE. We all know the RC-F will always lose vs lighter and sportier competitors. But most of us buy these cars for the overall package, not just all-out performance. It was a great read. Thanks.
01-27-16, 11:26 AM
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Two things. First, no way a C/F hood lowers curb weight 300 lbs over a C/F pack US RC-F. So those guys obviously didn't have a scale. The only way an RC-F would weigh 3,700 lbs is without seats. And maybe without something else. Second, wish the test was done in dry conditions too, and as mentioned, with the GT350. Anyway, I liked that they chose the RC-F over the M4, even though it was trounced in acceleration by quite a bit. This is the kind of test I like: SUBJECTIVE. We all know the RC-F will always lose vs lighter and sportier competitors. But most of us buy these cars for the overall package, not just all-out performance. It was a great read. Thanks.
. Second, wish the test was done in dry conditions too, and as mentioned, with the GT350. Anyway, I liked that they chose the RC-F over the M4, even though it was trounced in acceleration by quite a bit. This is the kind of test I like: SUBJECTIVE. We all know the RC-F will always lose vs lighter and sportier competitors. But most of us buy these cars for the overall package, not just all-out performance. It was a great read. Thanks.Anyway, I too love how it's subjective, and it weighs the total car's features, benefits and personality.
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01-27-16, 01:30 PM
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Yea, but I suppose it is the UK, so it seems to be rainy/wet most of the time, at least if Top Gear has taught me anything.... I think I saw in the opening RC F paragraph that the carbon only made a 10kg difference in the overall weight. I think they got their facts mixed up. I can't believe either that it is 3,700lbs.
Anyway, I too love how it's subjective, and it weighs the total car's features, benefits and personality.
Anyway, I too love how it's subjective, and it weighs the total car's features, benefits and personality.
01-28-16, 04:04 PM
#11
and if you guys check the bimmersforum, those defensive bunch are already busy accusing the reviewer as incompetent and on the pay roll of Lexus.....interesting to watch....
i guess they fail to see the big picture; their mighty M4 is no longer winning unanimous vote for being the best all-around car as it used to get in the 90's.
i hope bmw is getting the tech and expertise to produce more reliable car from Lexus/Toyota. at this point, i think lexus/toyota will be a bigger winner in this strategic collaboration because enhancing on performance, in my opinion is easier to do than improving on reliability, which is more of a cultural thing. the toyota/lexus management and ppl just know how to make things right and precise when it comes to reliability.
i guess they fail to see the big picture; their mighty M4 is no longer winning unanimous vote for being the best all-around car as it used to get in the 90's.
i hope bmw is getting the tech and expertise to produce more reliable car from Lexus/Toyota. at this point, i think lexus/toyota will be a bigger winner in this strategic collaboration because enhancing on performance, in my opinion is easier to do than improving on reliability, which is more of a cultural thing. the toyota/lexus management and ppl just know how to make things right and precise when it comes to reliability.
01-29-16, 05:21 AM
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Of the dozens of BMW vs RCF reviews, this is the first one I've read that honestly talks about the M4's real "character"(I prefer "shortcomings") eg "too much power" at low end, difficulty to take full advantage at the high end due to turbo characteristics, sound quality. The rest ignore this and focus on the pseudo RCF "weight" issue.
I've only seen one other M4 review (against a Ferrari) that also brings up this "character". And that's one of the key differentiators of the RCF they all miss- that it can be driven to the limit by non-experts. Shows how much undue influence BMW has over these journalists.
I've only seen one other M4 review (against a Ferrari) that also brings up this "character". And that's one of the key differentiators of the RCF they all miss- that it can be driven to the limit by non-experts. Shows how much undue influence BMW has over these journalists.
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