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Old 12-23-14, 07:44 AM
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Two things that were driving me nuts on this car, excessive fender gap and wimpy offsets of the wheels.

This past weekend I installed spacers on the RC-F and it made a huge difference in appearance. The are Hubcentric spacers that bolt to car first and then the wheel bolts to spacer. 15mm in rear and 20mm in font. honestly could probably gone 25mm in front but these are just temporary while my wheels are being built.
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Old 12-23-14, 09:00 AM
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Looks good!
Where did you purchase from? Item number? What is the hub size?
Did you cover the chrome around the windows or is it shadows?
Old 12-23-14, 10:19 AM
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Good Job...
It does sit a whole lot better then OEM ..
What wheels are in the Making'??
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Originally Posted by Dbcooper13
Looks good!
Where did you purchase from? Item number? What is the hub size?
Did you cover the chrome around the windows or is it shadows?
thank you! -- I bought these from ebay vendor whom I've purchased other spacers. DMV Motorsports... specs are:

15mm (r) 20mm (f)
5x114.3 Bolt Pattern
60.1mm Center Bore
12x1.5 Thread Pitch

here are links to ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/171386992773?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181465917056?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Old 12-23-14, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Need4Speed
Good Job...
It does sit a whole lot better then OEM ..
What wheels are in the Making'??
Thank you - definitely helped beef up the appearance. It looked a bit anemic after lowering it but weak offsets.

Wheels are going to be Rennen Forged RL-55, machined/clear finish. Should be ready by the new year.
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Originally Posted by Dbcooper13
Looks good!
Where did you purchase from? Item number? What is the hub size?
Did you cover the chrome around the windows or is it shadows?

no shadow trim, it's just reflecting the black ceiling of the shop but not that I look at the pic I guess it is a good example of how it would look with the trim blacked out.

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Old 12-23-14, 05:26 PM
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Great shot of the tappered inward fenders...!!!!

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Old 12-25-14, 06:49 AM
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If our cars came looking the way we want them to from the factory, we'd have nothing to do
The stance makes a huge difference! Who did you order the Rennens from?
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Default Spacer recommendations for stock height?

I'm about to receive my white RC-F with the 20-spoke wheels, but it urgently needs some spacers!!

I want to improve the stance yet keep the stock look, since I won't be dropping my car with these wheels I was thinking about going 15mm all around, 20mm seems like it would look too flush with the stock height. What do you think?

So far I've found Ichiba V2 hubcentric, I would've preferred H&R DRM in black but they don't come in the right center bore.

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I've been in a 530 hp STI when a wheel spacer failed....wheel came through the quarter panel. Not a fan of these things at all. Make sure you buy a quality set and always use a torque wrench when bolting them up ( your wheels). Why not just buy an aftermarket set of wheels? Going wider on the stock height will kinda look like when you rub a dogs belly while he's standing up...kinda hunched up. I'm just thinking you're not going to be happy with the end result. My wheelset I've ordered will be in the mid 20's in the rear and mid 30's for the front just to give you an idea of the offset you're looking for. The guys at Mackin told me to go with this set up. There's starting to be a few of us on here that are diving right in the mods....maybe sit back and see what develops and go from there? I feel your pain though, the normal stance IMO on these cars needs addressing to some degree. From what I've seen so far, the folks @ Vossen are crafting wheels for the RC F more than others. Call them up and speak to them about which size to go with.

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I really wanted spacers too but fear them failing. Too much risk. The internet is filled with stories of failed wheel spacers.


Originally Posted by Carnevino
I've been in a 530 hp STI when a wheel spacer failed....wheel came through the quarter panel. Not a fan of these things at all. Make sure you buy a quality set and always use a torque wrench when bolting them up ( your wheels). Why not just buy an aftermarket set of wheels? Going wider on the stock height will kinda look like when you rub a dogs belly while he's standing up...kinda hunched up. I'm just thinking you're not going to be happy with the end result. My wheelset I've ordered will be in the mid 20's in the rear and mid 30's for the front just to give you an idea of the offset you're looking for. The guys at Mackin told me to go with this set up. There's starting to be a few of us on here that are diving right in the mods....maybe sit back and see what develops and go from there? I feel your pain though, the normal stance IMO on these cars needs addressing to some degree. From what I've seen so far, the folks @ Vossen are crafting wheels for the RC F more than others. Call them up and speak to them about which size to go with.
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Originally Posted by Dbcooper13
I really wanted spacers too but fear them failing. Too much risk. The internet is filled with stories of failed wheel spacers.
Because it's a silly concept when used by people who just slap a number (15, 20, 25mm) out of thin air and throw them on their car for cheap route to better aesthetics. Add 400+ hp to the mix only makes it that much worse.

Scrub Radius

Scrub Radius. by Roger Jackman.

This man walks into a bar... "NORM!" He proceeds to belly up to the bar and begins to talk about the daily grind and the latest in his relationship with his wife. The bartender, a former sports icon, talks to a patron at the other end of the bar about the specifics of modifying the suspension on his Corvette. He was told that after changing to an aftermarket wheel and tire combination, he needs to modify the scrub radius a bit and wants to know what in the world they were talking about. Cliff is trying to explain that scrub has been in use since early man invented the wheel. He claims, "in order to get the perfect lateral friction to rolling resistance ratio, you must periodically 'scrub' the tires to expose the unused material."

Does this scenario sound like you and your car buddies at the local watering hole after a club meet or romp through the countryside? I know I have heard it somewhere before. Now, I was able to get through school with a little intuition and a lot of B.S., but these qualities do not always work when I am dealing with inanimate objects that are not humored by my B.S. and theory. When dealing with suspension design and dynamics, little things that are easily overlooked like scrub radius can make a greater difference in your car's handling and feel than all your theory and fervent tuning can accomplish.

To understand scrub, you must first know about Steering Axis Inclination (SAI). The steering axis is the line between the top pivot point of your hub and the lower ball joint of your hub. On a MacPherson strut, the top pivot point is the strut bearing, and the bottom point is the lower ball joint. On a suspension using upper and lower control arms, the pivot points are where the upright connects to the control arms. The inclination of the steering axis is measured as the angle between the steering axis and the centerline of the wheel, so if your camber is adjustable within the pivot points (i.e. Volkswagen) you can change the SAI.

Now back to the subject at hand. The scrub radius is the distance on the ground between the centerline of the tire contact patch and the point at which the SAI intersects the ground. If these two lines intersect at ground level, then you are said to have zero scrub. If the SAI intersects the ground at a point inside or outside of the centerline of the contact patch, you are said to have positive or negative scrub respectively.

You now know what elements make up scrub, now you may ask what it has to do with the price of tea in China? Well, the point at which the steering axis line contacts the ground is the fulcrum pivot point on which the tire turns. The location of this point within the contact patch has a great effect on steering effort, feel, and stability. If you have not already guessed, the easiest way to change scrub is by changing your offset with either new wheels, or hub centric wheel spacers.

If the scrub is zero, the scrubbing action of the contact patch is equal on either side of the pivot point causing the tire to act like a car with a welded differential, inducing a condition called 'squirm'. In a straight line the tire tends to be stable and tracks well. As you turn though, the portion of the contact patch on the outside of the pivot point moves faster than the portion on the inside of the contact patch. Since the scrubbing area is equal on each side of the pivot point, yet the forces are different, the tire tends to fight itself and it becomes 'grabby' causing tire wear to increase and the steering to become unstable.

Positive and negative scrub radii have benefits in different types of suspension. A MacPherson strut assembly typically performs well with a lot of SAI and caster, a system negative scrub works well in. Because both SAI and caster increase the amount of camber on the outside wheel when steering, the fulcrum pivot point is at a point that has more leverage, requiring less steering effort. Negative scrub also helps reduce torque steer in front wheel drive cars. Positive scrub radius works well with suspensions that use dual control arms that use less caster and SAI to optimize geometry.

As with anything else, a little of a good thing is great, but lot of a good thing is not necessarily better. When you have excessive scrub, whether it be positive or negative, steering effort increases and road 'feel' increases, as the steering is more susceptible to road shock. Additionally, if you plan on doing some homework on, and modifying your scrub radius, you must take into account the amount of sidewall flex your tire will encounter under hard cornering. When the sidewall flexes, the contact patch moves in relation to the SAI and can make a slightly negative scrub radius become zero.

Well, now you know all about scrub, so the next time it comes up at the watering hole you have the confidence in knowing that your drunken compatriot is having more fun with creative banter than tuning and driving his car. That is not such a bad thing though. Order another beer and go with it. I will bet you can come up with something better.
http://www.hrsprings.com/technical/scrub_radius

There are positives that come with spacers, but also negatives that rarely get any mention. You can decide if they cancel each out or not, hopefully after doing some homework.
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I wouldn't put a spacer on any of my cars.. Especailly when rolling with Family...

Spacers are great for show cars when you didn't have enough time to get the right wheel built...

Of course this is just my opinion...

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Default RCF Spacers?

I just lowered my RCF on the Swift Spec-R springs and want to get some good hub-centric spacers to try and get the stock wheels flush. I was thinking of going 15mm F and 10mm R. Anyone who has done this to their RCF have suggestions? I don't want to deal with any rubbing.

Also, where have you guys bought them and which brand did you use?
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How's the ride quality on the new springs?


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