Official Lexus RC thread
10-29-13, 01:06 PM
#721
Ryan is entitled to his opinion. Whats funny is I broke the GS-F story and the thread was locked/moved, etc
He is right that it won't win AMG/M etc over with 465hp and guess what, at 650hp it won't win over AMG/M etc. People want what they want and rarely is there a mass exodus to the new rival. People choose the F Lexus for attributes they can appreciate and the AMG/M etc cars still continue to sell well.
The IS F is low on power to the RS 4 and C63 especially with the power pack. The IS F also debuted before turbos and superchargers were widely used like today.
You are right, Lexus is paying attention "to stuff like this".
He is right that it won't win AMG/M etc over with 465hp and guess what, at 650hp it won't win over AMG/M etc. People want what they want and rarely is there a mass exodus to the new rival. People choose the F Lexus for attributes they can appreciate and the AMG/M etc cars still continue to sell well. The IS F is low on power to the RS 4 and C63 especially with the power pack. The IS F also debuted before turbos and superchargers were widely used like today.
You are right, Lexus is paying attention "to stuff like this".
see i am never against the idea of having a great v8 gs, it's only great news to car people. it's just how lexus is doing it under the f badge and i have question about it. pretty much all the time you and others mix the two points together.
The difference is my family has an HS, I didn't crap on the HS over and over and insult them or owners over and over. I pointed out the negatives and moved on. Recently when owners wanted to lower the car I worked with RS-R to get them lowering springs. That is the reason we are here right, to help? I didn't go above and beyond to exclude HS members like you did myself at the Pursuit. I thank you though as it opened more doors for me.
No one in the HS forum or any forum here nor any forum on the internet wants to hear over and over why their choice or what they like stinks or isn't up to par. You can do that on another forum. People can find their hate for what they like elsewhere. Too many try to hide behind the "oh I'm not biased" veil when we are all biased to what we like. It is natural. Instead of us having a discussion on all the great possibilities for the GS F, we are hearing all the reasons why it stinks and won't sell and isn't up to par and why Lexus owner defended their cars etc etc.
No one is patting Lexus on the back saying stop at 465hp or this number people are stuck on. What is being said is that is a great start and it will be a nice option for many people. It is again, A GREAT START. I started a thread in the GS forum where there are people who are very interested to purchase the car with 465hp knowing full well its not some 0-60 in 2 second car.
Beating Lexus up over and over that it won't have 550hp is off-putting to members and owners and enthusiasts here. Especially those that have interest in buying the car.
No one in the HS forum or any forum here nor any forum on the internet wants to hear over and over why their choice or what they like stinks or isn't up to par. You can do that on another forum. People can find their hate for what they like elsewhere. Too many try to hide behind the "oh I'm not biased" veil when we are all biased to what we like. It is natural. Instead of us having a discussion on all the great possibilities for the GS F, we are hearing all the reasons why it stinks and won't sell and isn't up to par and why Lexus owner defended their cars etc etc.
No one is patting Lexus on the back saying stop at 465hp or this number people are stuck on. What is being said is that is a great start and it will be a nice option for many people. It is again, A GREAT START. I started a thread in the GS forum where there are people who are very interested to purchase the car with 465hp knowing full well its not some 0-60 in 2 second car.
Beating Lexus up over and over that it won't have 550hp is off-putting to members and owners and enthusiasts here. Especially those that have interest in buying the car.
to me i am reading just as many good things and possibilities about the gsf as the bad and concerns, but again given your character, you tends to overblown the negatives and focus on that, so i can see why you have that feeling.
we are all here to help that's for sure, but i am sure not here to help drive away people who don't like lexus or bully on them. again, it will be a very good car but i can't agree on the great start part as being a f car. it's my feeling and people don't have to agree with me. i brought up the point, people discuss and argue, and i reply back. simple as that. but naturally given your personality, every time i or others reply becomes "another time" people beat on lexus. the pattern is clear.
if just saying lexus not having a 550hp car is enough to putt off people on getting this car, i think that either means i am a very powerful person (which i don't think so at all) or people should really have a stronger mindset of their own. they want something, they get something. they don't get or not get something coz' of what others say. it's just like by you saying the car is a great start won't affect the sales of the car a tiny bit.
and regarding pursuit, it again seems like you do stuff like this whenever you get personal. it's very unfortunate and i feel sorry for you, especially when i had nothing to do with vendor planning (but then of course you label it on me). and for sure you don't have to thank me, i want absolutely nothing to do with you anyway.
in the end, the gsf is going to be a great car for sure (i think this is probably like the 5th or 6th time i say this), i can't wait to drive it. i just thought market wise it can go against competitors better
10-29-13, 01:14 PM
#722
Moderator: LFA, Clubhouse
But who knows, maybe they'll surprise us.
10-29-13, 01:35 PM
#723
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you can put your post and threats like this elsewhere, it's not working here.
see i am never against the idea of having a great v8 gs, it's only great news to car people. it's just how lexus is doing it under the f badge and i have question about it. pretty much all the time you and others mix the two points together.
well the feeling is mutual. whenever you think others "go above and beyond", it's like just because you don't like what you are seeing. and isn't you the one who go above and beyond in crapping about acura's front grille?
to me i am reading just as many good things and possibilities about the gsf as the bad and concerns, but again given your character, you tends to overblown the negatives and focus on that, so i can see why you have that feeling.
we are all here to help that's for sure, but i am sure not here to help drive away people who don't like lexus or bully on them. again, it will be a very good car but i can't agree on the great start part as being a f car. it's my feeling and people don't have to agree with me. i brought up the point, people discuss and argue, and i reply back. simple as that. but naturally given your personality, every time i or others reply becomes "another time" people beat on lexus. the pattern is clear.
if just saying lexus not having a 550hp car is enough to putt off people on getting this car, i think that either means i am a very powerful person (which i don't think so at all) or people should really have a stronger mindset of their own. they want something, they get something. they don't get or not get something coz' of what others say. it's just like by you saying the car is a great start won't affect the sales of the car a tiny bit.
and regarding pursuit, it again seems like you do stuff like this whenever you get personal. it's very unfortunate and i feel sorry for you, especially when i had nothing to do with vendor planning (but then of course you label it on me). and for sure you don't have to thank me, i want absolutely nothing to do with you anyway.
in the end, the gsf is going to be a great car for sure (i think this is probably like the 5th or 6th time i say this), i can't wait to drive it. i just thought market wise it can go against competitors better
see i am never against the idea of having a great v8 gs, it's only great news to car people. it's just how lexus is doing it under the f badge and i have question about it. pretty much all the time you and others mix the two points together.
well the feeling is mutual. whenever you think others "go above and beyond", it's like just because you don't like what you are seeing. and isn't you the one who go above and beyond in crapping about acura's front grille?
to me i am reading just as many good things and possibilities about the gsf as the bad and concerns, but again given your character, you tends to overblown the negatives and focus on that, so i can see why you have that feeling.
we are all here to help that's for sure, but i am sure not here to help drive away people who don't like lexus or bully on them. again, it will be a very good car but i can't agree on the great start part as being a f car. it's my feeling and people don't have to agree with me. i brought up the point, people discuss and argue, and i reply back. simple as that. but naturally given your personality, every time i or others reply becomes "another time" people beat on lexus. the pattern is clear.
if just saying lexus not having a 550hp car is enough to putt off people on getting this car, i think that either means i am a very powerful person (which i don't think so at all) or people should really have a stronger mindset of their own. they want something, they get something. they don't get or not get something coz' of what others say. it's just like by you saying the car is a great start won't affect the sales of the car a tiny bit.
and regarding pursuit, it again seems like you do stuff like this whenever you get personal. it's very unfortunate and i feel sorry for you, especially when i had nothing to do with vendor planning (but then of course you label it on me). and for sure you don't have to thank me, i want absolutely nothing to do with you anyway.
in the end, the gsf is going to be a great car for sure (i think this is probably like the 5th or 6th time i say this), i can't wait to drive it. i just thought market wise it can go against competitors better
"you feel sorry for me"
hahahahhaahahahahhahahahhahhahahhaThat post is barely coherent but thanks for filling it with personal attacks and then trying to sandwich it with the GS F. Thank you again.
10-29-13, 02:19 PM
#724
Telling what how it is? No one is disagreeing that 550hp would be nice…what I am saying is 465hp is a nice starting point and surely a nice jump from 306hp. AMG/M/RS didn't start off with 550hp, it took DECADES to get to that point. Its easy to look at them now in 2013 and say "on Lexus doesn't have 550hp"
We had a typical internet misunderstanding.I feel eventually 500+ hp will come to the GS-F and LS-F, just not initially. Just like AMG and M, until this latest Twin Turbo power generation, their NA engine was only ~500 hp. So 465 hp is not that far off. Lexus is easing into it just like the German did 10 years ago.
10-29-13, 03:33 PM
#725
Forum Administrator
iTrader: (2)
Ok guys let get the personal comments out of this thread immediately.
We don't know what the specs are so a lot of this is still conjecture so arguing over it is pretty pointless. You might as well look at my GS-F April fools story's from 2012 where I broke the GS-F news. Let's see how close I was.
We don't know what the specs are so a lot of this is still conjecture so arguing over it is pretty pointless. You might as well look at my GS-F April fools story's from 2012 where I broke the GS-F news. Let's see how close I was.
Last edited by DaveGS4; 10-29-13 at 03:38 PM.
10-29-13, 07:39 PM
#726
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by Blueprint
No one is disagreeing that 550hp would be nice…what I am saying is 465hp is a nice starting point and surely a nice jump from 306hp. AMG/M/RS didn't start off with 550hp, it took DECADES to get to that point. Its easy to look at them now in 2013 and say "on Lexus doesn't have 550hp"
Originally Posted by I8ABMR
Overall balance is the key not just HP
Originally Posted by rominl
we are all here to help that's for sure
Last edited by mmarshall; 10-29-13 at 07:47 PM.
10-29-13, 09:29 PM
#727
Lexus Champion
Even Ferrari and Lamborghini are going to start focusing more on driving dynamics and weight rather than out and out power. So looks like they took a page from the LFA in that respect. The LFA was always on dynamics and COG, coupled with that amazing engine, that makes less power than cars like the McLaren 12-C. The GS-F will follow that line of thought, and the F-Sport currently is doing just that.
10-30-13, 12:08 AM
#728
I dont know why do you guys argue about rumors at all.
465 or not for GS-F - lets see the numbers, performance and pricing when the car comes out and then lets argue about it.
Why argue over some rumor? Rumor said that there wont be GS-F... heck rumor said that there wont be F anymore and then we have two Fs testing on the track.
465 or not for GS-F - lets see the numbers, performance and pricing when the car comes out and then lets argue about it.
Why argue over some rumor? Rumor said that there wont be GS-F... heck rumor said that there wont be F anymore and then we have two Fs testing on the track.
10-30-13, 02:11 AM
#729
Pole Position
I dont know why do you guys argue about rumors at all.
465 or not for GS-F - lets see the numbers, performance and pricing when the car comes out and then lets argue about it.
Why argue over some rumor? Rumor said that there wont be GS-F... heck rumor said that there wont be F anymore and then we have two Fs testing on the track.
465 or not for GS-F - lets see the numbers, performance and pricing when the car comes out and then lets argue about it.
Why argue over some rumor? Rumor said that there wont be GS-F... heck rumor said that there wont be F anymore and then we have two Fs testing on the track.
10-30-13, 08:30 AM
#732
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https://www.clublexus.com/forums/gs-...gsf-today.html
Well 2 members here state they spotted the car in Cali...
Well 2 members here state they spotted the car in Cali...
10-30-13, 09:48 AM
#733
Ok guys let get the personal comments out of this thread immediately.
We don't know what the specs are so a lot of this is still conjecture so arguing over it is pretty pointless. You might as well look at my GS-F April fools story's from 2012 where I broke the GS-F news. Let's see how close I was.
We don't know what the specs are so a lot of this is still conjecture so arguing over it is pretty pointless. You might as well look at my GS-F April fools story's from 2012 where I broke the GS-F news. Let's see how close I was.
Last edited by BNR34; 10-30-13 at 09:52 AM.
10-30-13, 10:00 AM
#734
This is pretty much a leak, some very accurate speculation, this is not a rumor.
Production on the E92 M3 ended a few months ago, I heard BMW is discontinuing the M3 line after 4 generations from lack of sales, oh no there will be no more M3 forever
2014 comes around, oh hey BMW decided to bring back the M3 afterall, here is the F80 M3 they just developed in less then 2 months, OMG thank you god
Last edited by BNR34; 10-30-13 at 10:07 AM.
10-30-13, 02:20 PM
#735
Lexus Fanatic
I think what some are trying to convey is the need for balance at a higher HP point. 99% of these super sedans will never do track time. Therefore much of the appeal beyond performance can be the HP ____ swinging contest that exists between BMW , Mercedes, and Audi. Now we have Lexus trying to enter the game. As the new kid on the block you are exactly that. Nobody knows you and you have never been tested . Therefore to make a splash and to get people to notice HP is a great way . When the new kid hits the streets we all run to the blogs and magazines to find out what the deal is. When many find that its the typical Lexus story of great cars but....... , they are not going to flock to the car the same way. Mercedes and BMW sell these types of cars and continue to sell them because they have done so for generations and everyone knows their super sedans are no joke. For Lexus not to be the butt of the inevitable jokes and negative comments they need to shut people up by building a super sedan that the world has never seen. They did it with the LFA and it needs to be done with the GSF. Most likely the GSF will be the lightest in the group so as long as HP to weight ratios are even I think thats all that matters if Lexus sticks with the 465 hp rumored figure. I am wondering if thats the route they are trying to run with the GSF to reach balance, better handling, braking, and economy . In the end ( Im not holding my breathe) if Lexus really wants to impress the world they can create a sedan that will beat the M5 with almost 100 less. Im not banking on that. Even if the M5 is 400 lbs heavier , 100 hp is a huge gap to close on a long straight on a highway. 100 HP and twin turbos makes for some serious pull on the high end . Like I said these sedans are not doing track work as much as Autobahn bombing . Lexus keep up......and pass