Is a 2JZ-GTE swap truly worth it? Your thoughts are appreciated.
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Edit: I'm pretty much stuck with the stock GS300 tranny (A650E) as well if I use the GE ECU correct?
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But it only lists it for the 92-97 GS/SC and 93-98 Supra..
So it states that it controls the VVTI, but the only PNP models they list are for all Non-VVTI engine, as the SC/GS didn't become VVTI til 98, and the US supra never had it. So I guess probally no luck in getting one that would be PNP for a 2nd gen GS or IS then..
Windows™ compatible software (XP, Vista, Windows7) makes the task of copying, viewing and manipulating data as simple as a click of the mouse. Our new AEMTUNER software is infinitely adjustable software and allows tuners to program virtually any combination of engine control, power adders and auxiliary devices, and accurately delivers proper amounts of fuel and correct ignition timing for any boost level or operating condition.
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But it only lists it for the 92-97 GS/SC and 93-98 Supra..
So it states that it controls the VVTI, but the only PNP models they list are for all Non-VVTI engine, as the SC/GS didn't become VVTI til 98, and the US supra never had it. So I guess probally no luck in getting one that would be PNP for a 2nd gen GS or IS then..
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OK so I have a 02 Grey on black sport design, I also have an Aristo vvti gte with trans, wire harness and ecu.
Questions:
1. I read on hear 02 up have a different wire harness and it will be a lot tougher to wire, is this true?
2. Will the trans bolt up to the stock drive shaft?
3. How much boost can the stock turbo's hold?
4. Do I have to get a walbro 255?
5. What diffs are you guys running?
6. Do I just unbolt the AC compressor from the motor in the car and than bolt to the GTE?
7. Does the Aristo vvti gte have cruise control I can hook up?
I'm going to do the swap myself. I've owned two MKIV Supra's in the past had to rebuild one motor and I'm building a 97 240sx LS1 right now. Just trying to find some things out early, as to not get caught off guard.
Thanks in advance
Chris
PS: I did search, not much info on this swap or my search skills suck.
Questions:
1. I read on hear 02 up have a different wire harness and it will be a lot tougher to wire, is this true?
2. Will the trans bolt up to the stock drive shaft?
3. How much boost can the stock turbo's hold?
4. Do I have to get a walbro 255?
5. What diffs are you guys running?
6. Do I just unbolt the AC compressor from the motor in the car and than bolt to the GTE?
7. Does the Aristo vvti gte have cruise control I can hook up?
I'm going to do the swap myself. I've owned two MKIV Supra's in the past had to rebuild one motor and I'm building a 97 240sx LS1 right now. Just trying to find some things out early, as to not get caught off guard.
Thanks in advance
Chris
PS: I did search, not much info on this swap or my search skills suck.
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OK so I have a 02 Grey on black sport design, I also have an Aristo vvti gte with trans, wire harness and ecu.
Questions:
1. I read on hear 02 up have a different wire harness and it will be a lot tougher to wire, is this true?
2. Will the trans bolt up to the stock drive shaft?
3. How much boost can the stock turbo's hold?
4. Do I have to get a walbro 255?
5. What diffs are you guys running?
6. Do I just unbolt the AC compressor from the motor in the car and than bolt to the GTE?
7. Does the Aristo vvti gte have cruise control I can hook up?
I'm going to do the swap myself. I've owned two MKIV Supra's in the past had to rebuild one motor and I'm building a 97 240sx LS1 right now. Just trying to find some things out early, as to not get caught off guard.
Thanks in advance
Chris
PS: I did search, not much info on this swap or my search skills suck.
Questions:
1. I read on hear 02 up have a different wire harness and it will be a lot tougher to wire, is this true?
2. Will the trans bolt up to the stock drive shaft?
3. How much boost can the stock turbo's hold?
4. Do I have to get a walbro 255?
5. What diffs are you guys running?
6. Do I just unbolt the AC compressor from the motor in the car and than bolt to the GTE?
7. Does the Aristo vvti gte have cruise control I can hook up?
I'm going to do the swap myself. I've owned two MKIV Supra's in the past had to rebuild one motor and I'm building a 97 240sx LS1 right now. Just trying to find some things out early, as to not get caught off guard.
Thanks in advance
Chris
PS: I did search, not much info on this swap or my search skills suck.
I'm trying to read up on this kinda info too, as i plan on GTE swapping a 02 Sport Design as well..
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From the information I have searched here in the past, this is my recollection. Verify with others before spending any money based on my answers though.
OK so I have a 02 Grey on black sport design, I also have an Aristo vvti gte with trans, wire harness and ecu.
Questions:
1. I read on hear 02 up have a different wire harness and it will be a lot tougher to wire, is this true?
YES
2. Will the trans bolt up to the stock drive shaft?
USE PART ARISTO AND PART GS TOGETHER
3. How much boost can the stock turbo's hold?
DEPENDING ON TURBO CONDITION, BUT SAME AS WHATEVER YOUR MKIV'S WOULD HOLD
4. Do I have to get a walbro 255?
NOT ON STOCK BOOST
5. What diffs are you guys running?
SUPRA 3.76 LSD
6. Do I just unbolt the AC compressor from the motor in the car and than bolt to the GTE?
I THINK SO
7. Does the Aristo vvti gte have cruise control I can hook up?
I THINK SO, I THINK YOU ONLY LOOSE TRACTION CONTROL.
I'm going to do the swap myself. I've owned two MKIV Supra's in the past had to rebuild one motor and I'm building a 97 240sx LS1 right now. Just trying to find some things out early, as to not get caught off guard.
Thanks in advance
Chris
PS: I did search, not much info on this swap or my search skills suck.
Questions:
1. I read on hear 02 up have a different wire harness and it will be a lot tougher to wire, is this true?
YES
2. Will the trans bolt up to the stock drive shaft?
USE PART ARISTO AND PART GS TOGETHER
3. How much boost can the stock turbo's hold?
DEPENDING ON TURBO CONDITION, BUT SAME AS WHATEVER YOUR MKIV'S WOULD HOLD
4. Do I have to get a walbro 255?
NOT ON STOCK BOOST
5. What diffs are you guys running?
SUPRA 3.76 LSD
6. Do I just unbolt the AC compressor from the motor in the car and than bolt to the GTE?
I THINK SO
7. Does the Aristo vvti gte have cruise control I can hook up?
I THINK SO, I THINK YOU ONLY LOOSE TRACTION CONTROL.
I'm going to do the swap myself. I've owned two MKIV Supra's in the past had to rebuild one motor and I'm building a 97 240sx LS1 right now. Just trying to find some things out early, as to not get caught off guard.
Thanks in advance
Chris
PS: I did search, not much info on this swap or my search skills suck.
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99GS3 most of that is right but I just want to make a few corrections/additions.
1. The wiring will have to be significantly changed. 2 of the ECU connector plugs and 4-5 of the body harness connectors need to be cut off and resoldered/swapped for the 02+ connectors. Total of around 50-70 wires(estimate).
3. The JDM Aristo VVTi GTE motor has smaller turbos than the USDM supras. They also have ceramic wheels in the turbos while the USDM ones have steel. The JDM turbos spool faster, but can't run as must hp or boost.
5. You can run stock diff if you want.
6. The GTE should have the same compressor. You can use either the stock one or the GTE.
7. Yes has cruise and traction. If you wire everything up correctly(as in repinning all of the wires I mentioned #1) then you should still retain those functions.
1. The wiring will have to be significantly changed. 2 of the ECU connector plugs and 4-5 of the body harness connectors need to be cut off and resoldered/swapped for the 02+ connectors. Total of around 50-70 wires(estimate).
3. The JDM Aristo VVTi GTE motor has smaller turbos than the USDM supras. They also have ceramic wheels in the turbos while the USDM ones have steel. The JDM turbos spool faster, but can't run as must hp or boost.
5. You can run stock diff if you want.
6. The GTE should have the same compressor. You can use either the stock one or the GTE.
7. Yes has cruise and traction. If you wire everything up correctly(as in repinning all of the wires I mentioned #1) then you should still retain those functions.
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so much mis info here about ge vs gte debate
wow is all i can say ..
guys, the ge is as stout as a gte anyday of the week.. it all comes down to proper supporting mods for either
look at my sig , and the parts purchased most second hand .. my ge is still the original block from 97 120k on the clock and makes a solid 592 rwhp at ONLY 19psi straight pump gas on ONLY a t67dbb turbo
let me see any dyno sheets of a gte on similar cams , same sized turbo make that power without fuss..
standalone is req for either setup to run effi and safely , dont bring me the vps/safc or greddy edamage garbage talk .. i have personally seen many gte's go bye bye down here in boost land and my home built na-t still has perfect 180psi compression across the board after 3.5 yrs of heavy boosting
as omar has illustrated several times , higher compression is the way to go with a good tuner , off boost is sweeter and it takes alot less boost which equates to alot less engine wear to make good power.. ge blocks are cheap , slap on a tt hg arp bolts and you have 700ish rwhp capable setup..
everything between the 2 blocks are identical except pistons ... oil squirters where installed by toyota to help reduce piston wear to ward off warranty claims etc etc ...actually most high hp supra guys are now using ge blocks to build to eliminate the squirters for in high rpm and high hp you want oil circulating , not diverting to spray hot oil on a hot piston
i do my own work from soup to nuts , i have many times over teared into both blocks
for someone who wants a solid platform keeping things stock i would recc gte swap..again only looking in the 350 ish rwhp range
if you are looking for more change out the rods in your ge motor , replace to some acl bearings , keep stock pistons add arp bolts and tt hg and tune via aem or haltech and 500-700 is all dependant on turbo selection and cams
wow is all i can say ..
guys, the ge is as stout as a gte anyday of the week.. it all comes down to proper supporting mods for either
look at my sig , and the parts purchased most second hand .. my ge is still the original block from 97 120k on the clock and makes a solid 592 rwhp at ONLY 19psi straight pump gas on ONLY a t67dbb turbo
let me see any dyno sheets of a gte on similar cams , same sized turbo make that power without fuss..
standalone is req for either setup to run effi and safely , dont bring me the vps/safc or greddy edamage garbage talk .. i have personally seen many gte's go bye bye down here in boost land and my home built na-t still has perfect 180psi compression across the board after 3.5 yrs of heavy boosting
as omar has illustrated several times , higher compression is the way to go with a good tuner , off boost is sweeter and it takes alot less boost which equates to alot less engine wear to make good power.. ge blocks are cheap , slap on a tt hg arp bolts and you have 700ish rwhp capable setup..
everything between the 2 blocks are identical except pistons ... oil squirters where installed by toyota to help reduce piston wear to ward off warranty claims etc etc ...actually most high hp supra guys are now using ge blocks to build to eliminate the squirters for in high rpm and high hp you want oil circulating , not diverting to spray hot oil on a hot piston
i do my own work from soup to nuts , i have many times over teared into both blocks
for someone who wants a solid platform keeping things stock i would recc gte swap..again only looking in the 350 ish rwhp range
if you are looking for more change out the rods in your ge motor , replace to some acl bearings , keep stock pistons add arp bolts and tt hg and tune via aem or haltech and 500-700 is all dependant on turbo selection and cams
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