IS350 Turbo Kit
01-13-10, 09:16 AM
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Good luck. It's going to be hard to push a turbo kit for 8k. That's like 1/4 of the price for a is350 and a little under 1/3 of an is250. People have a hard time thinking about spending over 2-3k for a nice set of wheels alone. They rather buy some Bo-Bo brand along with tires for under 2k.
So much to think about but for every 10 people who are interested, you MIGHT get one who will buy it for retail pricing. There is a big market, but the price won't justify the performance IMO. People are willing to lend the car, but they are also think in return the kit will be either free or for around 2-4k tops since you will be using it for R&D. Keep in mind, if the motor blows or something happens, they will put it on your costs.
So much to think about but for every 10 people who are interested, you MIGHT get one who will buy it for retail pricing. There is a big market, but the price won't justify the performance IMO. People are willing to lend the car, but they are also think in return the kit will be either free or for around 2-4k tops since you will be using it for R&D. Keep in mind, if the motor blows or something happens, they will put it on your costs.
01-13-10, 09:48 AM
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IMO its too late in the game to be able to sell a turbo kit for this car for 8k. The 2IS has been out for 4 years now and has already made it's rounds on the show circuits. I think people would have been willing to pay this price a few years ago but nowadays I don't see people willing to spend more than 4-5k on a kit. With a car that has been out this long I don't think you can charge such a premium. You have to remember that a lot of members cars are worth 1/2 of what they once were and nearly 10k for a turbo kit could very well be 1/2 the value of the car.
01-13-10, 11:24 AM
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Good luck. It's going to be hard to push a turbo kit for 8k. That's like 1/4 of the price for a is350 and a little under 1/3 of an is250. People have a hard time thinking about spending over 2-3k for a nice set of wheels alone. They rather buy some Bo-Bo brand along with tires for under 2k.
So much to think about but for every 10 people who are interested, you MIGHT get one who will buy it for retail pricing. There is a big market, but the price won't justify the performance IMO. People are willing to lend the car, but they are also think in return the kit will be either free or for around 2-4k tops since you will be using it for R&D. Keep in mind, if the motor blows or something happens, they will put it on your costs.
So much to think about but for every 10 people who are interested, you MIGHT get one who will buy it for retail pricing. There is a big market, but the price won't justify the performance IMO. People are willing to lend the car, but they are also think in return the kit will be either free or for around 2-4k tops since you will be using it for R&D. Keep in mind, if the motor blows or something happens, they will put it on your costs.
But its really hard to compare people not spending 4k on wheels to spending money on FI.
wheels are wheels. looks, unsprung weight/durability. they arn't going to make you go that much faster as FI would. some people just don't want to throw out 4k for looks and "jdm" authentic named stuff and a few pounds less of unsprung weight and super duper forged uber unbreakable 3 piece rims if they don't track or push the limits of the car. you could say if they won't push the limits why want boost then? well i think some people just like to boost around and having more power is always nice
Even though i don't think you can compare the two, i still think your right. people won't be spending that much for boost on our rides haha
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01-13-10, 11:48 AM
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I thought the same thing about the IS300 and standealone ECU's a few years back. Now everyone make a PNP for the IS300. Most of the R&D will come once most of the cars are out of warranty and the price drops some. People who value the car less will throw more $$$ to upgrade HP.
01-13-10, 06:24 PM
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Lets put a few number together:
Known - 306 hp - 11.8:1 cr - 92 octane
So you are running 5 PSI of boost at an altitude of 300 feet. Your motor's static compression is 11.8 :1. At this boost level and altitude your effective compression ratio is 15.75 :1, and without altitude correction your compression ratio would be 15.81 :1.
So what is known is at 5psi our engine is at 15.8:1 CR. At 7 psi Tom's starts to blend fuel to 100 octane at 7psi the effective CR is 17.5:1.
With our piston size / stroke / and CR at 17.5:1 the Flywheel Hp is 455.68. This is roughly 375hp to the wheels with an 18% drivline loss.
Point being, the CR is not going to change so do not think your going to get any better than 375whp out of our IS350's without some major fuel blends or lowering the CR.
Known - 306 hp - 11.8:1 cr - 92 octane
So you are running 5 PSI of boost at an altitude of 300 feet. Your motor's static compression is 11.8 :1. At this boost level and altitude your effective compression ratio is 15.75 :1, and without altitude correction your compression ratio would be 15.81 :1.
So what is known is at 5psi our engine is at 15.8:1 CR. At 7 psi Tom's starts to blend fuel to 100 octane at 7psi the effective CR is 17.5:1.
With our piston size / stroke / and CR at 17.5:1 the Flywheel Hp is 455.68. This is roughly 375hp to the wheels with an 18% drivline loss.
Point being, the CR is not going to change so do not think your going to get any better than 375whp out of our IS350's without some major fuel blends or lowering the CR.
01-13-10, 06:31 PM
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