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Old 11-09-09, 08:31 AM   #1
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I'm still confused on how dynoing our car in snow mode gives an accurate reading
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Old 11-09-09, 08:50 AM   #2
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I'm still confused on how dynoing our car in snow mode gives an accurate reading
Snow mode makes the car seem slower since the transmission behavior and throttle sensitivity is different, but it does NOT reduce power at WOT. If you manually select 4th gear, then get up to a speed on the dyno that it changes to 4th gear, you can go full throttle at ~2500 RPMs, and it won't downshift. I have proven this via CAN bus, accelleration plots, and dyno tests. Any person who dyno's in PWR mode, is doing it wrong.
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Old 11-09-09, 11:43 PM   #3
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I'm still confused on how dynoing our car in snow mode gives an accurate reading
Uh, what? Snow mode keeps it from downshifting, which is what gives a most definite inaccurate reading. Not sure what you're getting at.
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Old 11-10-09, 07:30 AM   #4
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Uh, what? Snow mode keeps it from downshifting, which is what gives a most definite inaccurate reading. Not sure what you're getting at.
It looked like an honest question to me. I'm not sure he was suggesting anything.

Which leads me to again criticize the misnomer that is the "power" mode switch, though...just a bit misleading.

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Uh, what? Snow mode keeps it from downshifting, which is what gives a most definite inaccurate reading. Not sure what you're getting at.
Can you elaborate on your response. Sorry, not following you..

My understanding is to dyno in snow mode so you can floor it sooner and not worry about a downshift. I guess once you hit ~5500RPMs you could switch snow off. Not sure it will make much difference though.
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Can you elaborate on your response. Sorry, not following you..

My understanding is to dyno in snow mode so you can floor it sooner and not worry about a downshift. I guess once you hit ~5500RPMs you could switch snow off. Not sure it will make much difference though.

That's what he's saying.

A downshift will give you an inaccurate dnyo, hence you should use snow mode to avoid that happening.

There's no reason at all to turn snow mode off, it has no impact on the amount of power the engine is producing.
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Can you elaborate on your response. Sorry, not following you..

My understanding is to dyno in snow mode so you can floor it sooner and not worry about a downshift. I guess once you hit ~5500RPMs you could switch snow off. Not sure it will make much difference though.
I'm not sure what you're wanting me to elaborate on man. Dynos need a 1:1 ratio gear to get an honest reading. If you're pulling the rollers and then all of a sudden downshift, increasing your tires' rotation speed, you're going to throw the numbers way off. They'll read higher than what they're supposed to. I'm not going to waste time getting into the physics of it, but that's the way it is. Here, take this dumbass for example: he posts a vid of his 350 with Legalis R exhaust and a JoeZ intake claiming 303rwhp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmAvQuWEnSc

Totally off considering an intake, exhaust and PPE headers car made 281rwhp.
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I'm not sure what you're wanting me to elaborate on man. Dynos need a 1:1 ratio gear to get an honest reading. If you're pulling the rollers and then all of a sudden downshift, increasing your tires' rotation speed, you're going to throw the numbers way off. They'll read higher than what they're supposed to. I'm not going to waste time getting into the physics of it, but that's the way it is. Here, take this dumbass for example: he posts a vid of his 350 with Legalis R exhaust and a JoeZ intake claiming 303rwhp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmAvQuWEnSc

Totally off considering an intake, exhaust and PPE headers car made 281rwhp.

You don't have to have a 1:1 ratio for valid dyno results, but anything above or below that will show slightly more drivetrain loss. The dyno adjusts the power numbers based on calculated gearing from the wheel speed and engine RPM.
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Any pictures of the setup? Where are the cats located? What design headers is it..6>2>1?
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