BIGONKER

sc400 with torque convertor and performanec ECU beat a 93-97 stock camaro z28?

i wana know because i need to make a deicision to buy a camaro now or to just soupe up the sc4?




thank you.

Dimcorner

my guess is no, but the camaro will honestly feel like crap to drive everyday compared to the SC.
Besides, how long you think the camaro will last b4 it starts to fall apart?

BIGONKER

yes you are right, the lexus sc400 is a great car, the only thing i dont like is that all the performance stuff is 10x more than other cars. 1000 bucks for exhaust is just too much....also i cant find a lot of things i wnat. so far im up to RMM intake (1 HP), RMM exhaust (1-7HP), ECU (30HP), and a TC (- .5 on 0-60). so im just trying to figure out if my car has the potential to actually be fast. i mean dont get me wrong, who cant love a lexus lol, im just a lil confused thats all









thanks

O. L. T.

iTrader: (17)

i've had both. the sc400 wont quite beat it, but remember, this is a luxury car first, then a race car second. i always felt people either deserve a lexus, or they dont.

now with the mods listed, it very well might. the IROC had serious takeoff ,but the 400 would be pretty mean with a TC and ECU. since we are talking a stock IROC.

we have jspec 4 bangers running with 400's out there. if the decision is between a camaro and a lexus, go ahead and get the camaro. you will most likely be happier since speed is the alterior motive.

just a few points about my IROC within the two years i owned it:

1. new tranny within 6 months of purchasing
2. overheated 4 times in two years / twice water pump / 1 time thermostat / once radiator failure.
3. t-tops leak
4. obvious quality control problems all around
5. oil pump @ 80k
6. steering rack and pinion @ 100k
ect...ect...ect....

think that was a fluke? my father has 2 of them, same story.

problems with sc400:
1. one alt and one power steering pump.


yep, thats about it.

V8RWDHP

Seems to me that it would be a damn close race. A stock Camaro LT1 Is 275 HP I believe, and 1UZFE with ECU sould be a bit more. Camaros, I think, are about 100- 200 lbs lighter, Seems close.

240Z

Camaro should win easily, horsepower and torque numbers on them have been underrated for years. Don't sweat it though, the guy driving the Camaro will love hearing every pop and crack that car makes while he rattles home. Not saying Camaros are bad cars, I like them personally, but the build quality is definitely nowhere near that of a Lexus .

Lex Luthor

onelasttry, there was no IROC produced then, not sure how you owned one, Chevrolet 'rented' the rights to use the name from the International Race Of Champions, from 1985 to 1990, at which point Chrysler picked it up and came out with the Daytona IROC, what a wonderful piece of engineering that thing was . Most guys think it stands for Italian Retard Out Cruising, I Ran Outta Cash, or I wReak Of Cologne. Owned several of 'em, I was one of the early guys to start building up TPI motors, and while they looked and handled great for the day, they were wasted by 50k miles, and the solid rear axle and torque arm love to skitter through a turn if the road surface is uneven. That being said, the LT1 motor has tons of potential, and any '93+ F-body will smoke an SC4 with converter and ECU, unless the driver is a total blockhead, plus they can be made to hook real hard, my Formula used to yank the wheels up on a 'little' 26x10 slick on LI dragway's crappy pad, and a buddy's Formula with Koni SPA1's breaks the damn 60ft beams with the back tyres (cover of Hot Rod Aug '02). Your SC4 with a P.I. single disc 3200 stall, catalysts deleted, a buck fifty shot (it'll take alot more), dual MSD, MKIII Turbo pump, and DR's will embarrass the Camaro if it's stock, but really it's apples to kiwis, the SC offers you so much more in so many ways, why downgrade, if it's speed you want buy a GN and drop 500 bucks on it for a street terror...

- LL

O. L. T.

iTrader: (17)

the iroc was just the lt1 version of the 305 z28. and yes, there were plenty around in that day. whether or not you distinguish it as iroc or not, that was the definitive difference between the z28 and the iroc.

Lex Luthor

Hate to brake it to you, but you're just plain wrong, i've owned and built up so many of them. The IROC was available in several configurations from '85-'90, it's been awhile but I remember, let me school you:
305 4bbl 'H.O.' motor 160hp, with 700R4 automatic or T5 5spd 1985-1987 IROC
305 TPI motor 190-230 hp depending on year, with 700R4 automatic or T5 5spd 1985-1990 IROC, available with dual cats starting in '89 (note that roller cam was added and the automatic revised in '87)
350 TPI motor 230-240 hp depending on year, this was the L98 Vette motor without the alum heads, avail with automatic only, 1987-1990 IROC. Regardless of what ppl say, there was no 350 stick back then, but I created one, with a built short block, ported alum heads, a T5, and a big hit of juice, and put it in the lighter Formula body, it's pictured below, timeslips are lying around here somewhere...

There was NEVER an LT1 IROC available, the main differences between the Z28 and the IROC were wheels, tyres, suspension, body-colour skirting, and the decal pkg, and you could not get the L98 motor in the Z28, only in the IROC, until they went back to the Z28 name for '91-92 after they weren't licensed for I.R.O.C. anymore, same platform with different cosmetics, and you could get the 5.0 or 5.7 TPI motors. With '93-up came the new F-body, and they are all of course LT1 or LS1 cars. The most desirable of the IROC cars was the 1LE, which had baffled tank, alum driveshaft, big brakes w/ PBR calipers, different suspension, etc.

O. L. T.

iTrader: (17)

thanks for the information

BIGONKER

damn i dunno, i could spend the 5-thousand bucks on a body kit and some other cool **** instead of getting a camaro. my new idea: get an old car and put a big engine in it . lol

any other things that help u get power with sc4 other than ecu TC catback CAI?

O. L. T.

iTrader: (17)

weight reduction, weight reduction, weight reduction. then....weight reduction

ACleanSC4

iTrader: (7)

Plain and simple...YOU GOTTA PAY TO PLAY!

240Z

A little food for thought, visit the link in my sig, if you want real speed, I think you will like what you find...