Consumer Reports Picks NX as one of Worst Cars of 2015
10-09-15, 08:15 AM
#76
10-09-15, 08:41 AM
#77
Lexus Champion
I read that CR has removed any VW's from their Recommended list. I agree, that there was no way for them or any other source to know this was going to hit the fan.
10-09-15, 08:46 AM
#78
How Do VW’s Actions Affect Consumer Reports’ Recommendations of VW and Audi?
Based on the EPA notice of violation against Volkswagen for circumventing emissions testing guidelines, Consumer Reports has suspended its “recommended” Rating of two tested VW vehicles: the Jetta diesel and Passat diesel. These recommendations will be suspended until Consumer Reports can re-test these vehicles with a recall repair performed. Once the emissions systems are functioning properly, we will assess whether the repair has adversely affected performance or fuel economy.
Based on the EPA notice of violation against Volkswagen for circumventing emissions testing guidelines, Consumer Reports has suspended its “recommended” Rating of two tested VW vehicles: the Jetta diesel and Passat diesel. These recommendations will be suspended until Consumer Reports can re-test these vehicles with a recall repair performed. Once the emissions systems are functioning properly, we will assess whether the repair has adversely affected performance or fuel economy.
10-09-15, 09:20 AM
#79
Lexus Test Driver
Personally, I have no issue with what VW did. Actually, I find it rather creative. Sneaky, but creative.
To essentially have 2 full fuel and boost tables, and the car being able to notice if it was being tested was genius.
I honestly couldn't give two sh*#%s less about the emissions of my car. I want an efficient car that does what I need it to do. The VW was doing that without issue. Heck, on my Camaro, I pass emissions because I have about 26 lights shut off in the ECU.
Now, in my mind, people want to simply cry that they were lied to. Really, they want to sue for the sake of being able to, nothing more. Most owners, probably have no idea how their car was doing it because people have become rather "car-dumb"... What the owners don't realize, is once VW updates their ECUs to allow for proper emissions, they are going to lose power, lose mpg, and cry even more foul. My vote would be "if it ain't broken, don't fix it".
To essentially have 2 full fuel and boost tables, and the car being able to notice if it was being tested was genius.
I honestly couldn't give two sh*#%s less about the emissions of my car. I want an efficient car that does what I need it to do. The VW was doing that without issue. Heck, on my Camaro, I pass emissions because I have about 26 lights shut off in the ECU.
Now, in my mind, people want to simply cry that they were lied to. Really, they want to sue for the sake of being able to, nothing more. Most owners, probably have no idea how their car was doing it because people have become rather "car-dumb"... What the owners don't realize, is once VW updates their ECUs to allow for proper emissions, they are going to lose power, lose mpg, and cry even more foul. My vote would be "if it ain't broken, don't fix it".
10-09-15, 09:30 AM
#80
Personally, I have no issue with what VW did. Actually, I find it rather creative. Sneaky, but creative.
To essentially have 2 full fuel and boost tables, and the car being able to notice if it was being tested was genius.
I honestly couldn't give two sh*#%s less about the emissions of my car. I want an efficient car that does what I need it to do. The VW was doing that without issue. Heck, on my Camaro, I pass emissions because I have about 26 lights shut off in the ECU.
Now, in my mind, people want to simply cry that they were lied to. Really, they want to sue for the sake of being able to, nothing more. Most owners, probably have no idea how their car was doing it because people have become rather "car-dumb"... What the owners don't realize, is once VW updates their ECUs to allow for proper emissions, they are going to lose power, lose mpg, and cry even more foul. My vote would be "if it ain't broken, don't fix it".
To essentially have 2 full fuel and boost tables, and the car being able to notice if it was being tested was genius.
I honestly couldn't give two sh*#%s less about the emissions of my car. I want an efficient car that does what I need it to do. The VW was doing that without issue. Heck, on my Camaro, I pass emissions because I have about 26 lights shut off in the ECU.
Now, in my mind, people want to simply cry that they were lied to. Really, they want to sue for the sake of being able to, nothing more. Most owners, probably have no idea how their car was doing it because people have become rather "car-dumb"... What the owners don't realize, is once VW updates their ECUs to allow for proper emissions, they are going to lose power, lose mpg, and cry even more foul. My vote would be "if it ain't broken, don't fix it".
10-09-15, 09:31 AM
#81
Swacer, it's interesting to me that you're comfortable with a major corporation committing fraud and, while we're here, your willingness to flout the law yourself when tinting the windows of your vehicles to an unlawful degree or by modifying your ECU to [assumedly illegally] pass emissions test. Not to mention that you seem to not care if your vehicle - or others' - pollutes.
It says a lot about you.
It says a lot about you.
10-09-15, 09:44 AM
#82
Lexus Test Driver
Swacer, it's interesting to me that you're comfortable with a major corporation committing fraud and, while we're here, your willingness to flout the law yourself when tinting the windows of your vehicles to an unlawful degree or by modifying your ECU to [assumedly illegally] pass emissions test. Not to mention that you seem to not care if your vehicle - or others' - pollutes.
It says a lot about you.
It says a lot about you.
I'm not too concerned to be honest, where I live doesn't even have emissions testing.
Tint....lol
10-09-15, 09:46 AM
#83
GM permits tuning of the car, its the tuning required in order to run headers on the car. Unlike Toyota who bolts the lock and throws away the key, GM promotes improving performance of your car. I haven't' done anything different than THOUSANDS of other owners.
Tint....lol
Tint....lol
10-09-15, 11:35 AM
#85
Lexus Champion
For reasons I just don't understand (although they did explain their logic somewhere in one of their write ups) Car & Driver places the NX in the same segment as X1, GLA and Q3.
10-09-15, 11:41 AM
#86
Racer
Before buying my NX, I test-drove a GLA. It sat too low and was small. The cargo area was small, too. It reminded me of a mini-station wagon. It did have a bunch of features that Lexus doesn't offer (and vice versa).
10-10-15, 05:46 AM
#87
Don't know about the rest of you, but as a thoughtful consumer of something as expensive as an automobile, I'd shy away (and cease being a fanboy) from purchasing any VW product until the issues are fully resolved (maybe 1+ years) and one can be fairly sure that no other shoes are about to be dropped.
CR should stick to telling us (1) is it safe?, (2) is it likely to break?, and (3) does it unnecessarily pollute? To bring us back to the topic at the beginning of this thread, when it comes to something as complex as an automobile whose selection is subject to several personal factors and requirements, CR does not have the ability or credibility to pick "the best" or "the worst" of this or any year.
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10-10-15, 07:04 AM
#88
Don't know about the rest of you, but as a thoughtful consumer of something as expensive as an automobile, I'd shy away (and cease being a fanboy) from purchasing any VW product until the issues are fully resolved (maybe 1+ years) and one can be fairly sure that no other shoes are about to be dropped.
CR should stick to telling us (1) is it safe?, (2) is it likely to break?, and (3) does it unnecessary pollute? To bring us back to the topic at the beginning of this thread, when it comes to something as complex as an automobile whose selection is subject to several personal factors and requirements, CR does not have the ability or credibility to pick "the best" or "the worst" of this or any year.
CR should stick to telling us (1) is it safe?, (2) is it likely to break?, and (3) does it unnecessary pollute? To bring us back to the topic at the beginning of this thread, when it comes to something as complex as an automobile whose selection is subject to several personal factors and requirements, CR does not have the ability or credibility to pick "the best" or "the worst" of this or any year.
I don't pay attention to their opinions regarding styling, as that's highly personal, as you observe. But I do pay close attention to many of the other things they evaluate.
Your choice, as a consumer, is to not pay money for their products, or to write them if you think they should change their methods. Or you can do what you and others are doing here: complain about them in order to garner support for your acrimony toward them - it really accomplishes nothing else.
10-10-15, 08:26 AM
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10-10-15, 08:43 AM
#90
For those on this forum too young to remember,http://www.aim.org/aim-report/aim-re...sumer-reports/ you should always doubt information from any " creditable" source! Everyone has an agenda. Check out gm pickups and niteline report.
The case you mention above was settled in 2004, with no admissions of any kind nor money changing hands. Details here: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/09/bu...-magazine.html
CR has been sued more than a dozen times by manufacturers that don't like their reviews. A few of the more notable cases are listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consum...onsumers_Union
They have yet to lose a single case.