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Old 11-07-15, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by hankinid
I'd guess low-$80K range. Good deal varies by region and number of trucks sent to that region. But it probably varies more based on your negotiation skills, or lack thereof.
should be much less. one can get a brand new 15 with 10 miles for low 80s now since the 16 is out. a used 15 with 8k miles is going for low 70s and it's sitting

the 16 is killing the 13-15
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Originally Posted by rominl
should be much less. one can get a brand new 15 with 10 miles for low 80s now since the 16 is out. a used 15 with 8k miles is going for low 70s and it's sitting

the 16 is killing the 13-15
Better alternative......
Buy 2016 Land Cruiser. Just bought one today for $1000 over invoice ($77K). Interior not as nice as 16 LX but as good or better than 15 LX. As well the front looks much better than the LX,

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Originally Posted by Luke27617
Better alternative......
Buy 2016 Land Cruiser. Just bought one today for $1000 over invoice ($77K). Interior not as nice as 16 LX but as good or better than 15 LX. As well the front looks much better than the LX,
didnt you have a gx460? Hows the ride compared to that?
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Originally Posted by T4Fun
didnt you have a gx460? Hows the ride compared to that?
I have not driven the LC and just LX. Took leap of faith. The LC is still on the ship and is scheduled to arrive on 24th. For sure GX seems more nimble when turning. LC may give a better experience as it comes with KDSS. I had previously 4runner with it and made a huge difference when comparing to one without KDSS.
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Originally Posted by rominl
should be much less. one can get a brand new 15 with 10 miles for low 80s now since the 16 is out. a used 15 with 8k miles is going for low 70s and it's sitting

the 16 is killing the 13-15
overnight, the pricing on KBB dropped like $5k
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Originally Posted by Luke27617
Better alternative......
Buy 2016 Land Cruiser. Just bought one today for $1000 over invoice ($77K). Interior not as nice as 16 LX but as good or better than 15 LX. As well the front looks much better than the LX,
indeed that can be a very good alternative. so the LC is selling 1k over invoice? so different from LX selling for msrp

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overnight, the pricing on KBB dropped like $5k
did that really happen? i guess it makes sense. kind of make me looking hard at leftover 15
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Originally Posted by rominl
indeed that can be a very good alternative. so the LC is selling 1k over invoice? so different from LX selling for msrp



did that really happen? i guess it makes sense. kind of make me looking hard at leftover 15
The 2015 LX and the 2015 LC are BOTH being heavily discounted due to the new 2016 models hitting the showroom floors right now. I am seeing LXs with MSRPs of $93k ADVERTISED for about $86k. With a bit of negotiation, you can likely snag a left-over 2015 LX for approximately $80k. This lines up perfectly with KBBs fair purchase price estimates. I live in an area where local dealers have plenty stock of left-over 2015 LXs (5+ per dealer). Personally, I plan on waiting longer until dealers get very desperate to move their old stock. I'd love a 2016, but heavily discounted pricing doesn't seem likely until at least a year or two out. Still undecided if it would be worth it to wait until then.
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Originally Posted by FlzRider
The 2015 LX and the 2015 LC are BOTH being heavily discounted due to the new 2016 models hitting the showroom floors right now. I am seeing LXs with MSRPs of $93k ADVERTISED for about $86k. With a bit of negotiation, you can likely snag a left-over 2015 LX for approximately $80k. This lines up perfectly with KBBs fair purchase price estimates. I live in an area where local dealers have plenty stock of left-over 2015 LXs (5+ per dealer). Personally, I plan on waiting longer until dealers get very desperate to move their old stock. I'd love a 2016, but heavily discounted pricing doesn't seem likely until at least a year or two out. Still undecided if it would be worth it to wait until then.

Oh come on ya know ya want it just do it. And when you do think about me and the fact I have to pay 158,000 us for '16 LX in the Dominican Republic....
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Originally Posted by FlzRider
The 2015 LX and the 2015 LC are BOTH being heavily discounted due to the new 2016 models hitting the showroom floors right now. I am seeing LXs with MSRPs of $93k ADVERTISED for about $86k. With a bit of negotiation, you can likely snag a left-over 2015 LX for approximately $80k. This lines up perfectly with KBBs fair purchase price estimates. I live in an area where local dealers have plenty stock of left-over 2015 LXs (5+ per dealer). Personally, I plan on waiting longer until dealers get very desperate to move their old stock. I'd love a 2016, but heavily discounted pricing doesn't seem likely until at least a year or two out. Still undecided if it would be worth it to wait until then.
kind of my thinking too. and by then likely the next generation of LX will come out soon so that becomes yet another dilemma.

in my area 2015 LX have been in the low 80s (msrp low 90s) for a while, and i see quite some inventory too (not as many as it's over there it seems), i wonder how that will play out. new 16 msrp 97k, if one can get a new 15 for 80k or slightly below, i think that's pretty big deal and can help compensate on the resale few years down the road.

on the other hand used 14 and 15 are taking serious bath here...
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Originally Posted by rominl
indeed that can be a very good alternative. so the LC is selling 1k over invoice? so different from LX selling for msrp
LC's selling for a sticker too, but there are few dealers that are willing to negotiate. I hit dealers through internet department as soon as I see allocation for their dealership (cars in route). I am in Toyota's Southeast region so you can see at this web site what is coming in and what config.
http://southeast.buyatoyota.com/land-cruiser

One local dealer took my offer of $500/invoice but since they didn't have an allocation, they tried to find one. As soon as I have found another one with the allocation for a little more I have jumped on it which was $1000/invoice. A little homework and few e-mails and can be easily done. Normally I am hitting all dealers within 100-200 mile radius.
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Originally Posted by Luke27617
LC's selling for a sticker too, but there are few dealers that are willing to negotiate. I hit dealers through internet department as soon as I see allocation for their dealership (cars in route). I am in Toyota's Southeast region so you can see at this web site what is coming in and what config.
http://southeast.buyatoyota.com/land-cruiser

One local dealer took my offer of $500/invoice but since they didn't have an allocation, they tried to find one. As soon as I have found another one with the allocation for a little more I have jumped on it which was $1000/invoice. A little homework and few e-mails and can be easily done. Normally I am hitting all dealers within 100-200 mile radius.
I completely agree with your strategy of shopping in a broader area than just your local dealers. However, I think negotiating relative to X amount OVER invoice pricing may not be the best method here since it seems like some prices we've discussed here actually come out to UNDER invoice pricing. Buying a 2015 LX for $80k would actually be under invoice pricing.
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Originally Posted by FlzRider
The 2015 LX and the 2015 LC are BOTH being heavily discounted due to the new 2016 models hitting the showroom floors right now. I am seeing LXs with MSRPs of $93k ADVERTISED for about $86k. With a bit of negotiation, you can likely snag a left-over 2015 LX for approximately $80k. This lines up perfectly with KBBs fair purchase price estimates. I live in an area where local dealers have plenty stock of left-over 2015 LXs (5+ per dealer). Personally, I plan on waiting longer until dealers get very desperate to move their old stock. I'd love a 2016, but heavily discounted pricing doesn't seem likely until at least a year or two out. Still undecided if it would be worth it to wait until then.

I think the 2016 will be selling close to invoice midway through 2016. Once the 2015s are cleared, the dealers will start dealing on the 2016s.
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Originally Posted by FlzRider
I completely agree with your strategy of shopping in a broader area than just your local dealers. However, I think negotiating relative to X amount OVER invoice pricing may not be the best method here since it seems like some prices we've discussed here actually come out to UNDER invoice pricing. Buying a 2015 LX for $80k would actually be under invoice pricing.
Normally I buy under invoice, but it is too early for that for 2016 model. Just wanted to share an alternative to 2015 LX for less money with the latest and greatest tech and fully loaded.
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Originally Posted by malba2366
I think the 2016 will be selling close to invoice midway through 2016. Once the 2015s are cleared, the dealers will start dealing on the 2016s.
I hope you're right!

Originally Posted by Luke27617
Normally I buy under invoice, but it is too early for that for 2016 model. Just wanted to share an alternative to 2015 LX for less money with the latest and greatest tech and fully loaded.
Oh, I misunderstood, I thought you were referring to a left-over 2015, not a new 2016.
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Originally Posted by malba2366
I think the 2016 will be selling close to invoice midway through 2016. Once the 2015s are cleared, the dealers will start dealing on the 2016s.
not sure about this.
its hard to negotiate on a LX. The 2015 one crazy dealer in NYC still asking close to msrp.


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