chicago66

ok. I think I know what the responses will be but let me ask anyways. Currently have 2008 ls 460. Lease is up. Love the ls 460 2013 sport but price to high right now . So looking at the gs 350 2013 . F sport. Lease that and in year or so move into the ls . Will I be sorry with the gs 350 after being an Ls 460 for so many years . Thanks

GQD_GS4

yes.

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PRSUIT460

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The 2012 GS350's are nice, my uncle has one. I don't think you'll be disappointed. You can always get an LS again..

2GSKaizen

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The level of luxury in those new GS's is pretty high. As long as you know you are going to sacrifice a small amount of ride comfort, and gain some handling, I think it would be an interesting chance to try something new for a little while between LS's. Just like PRSUIT460 said. You can always go LS again down the road. After driving the new LS F Sport, there is NO WAY i'd buy a new LS without the Variable Suspension. It makes a much bigger difference than the old Sport/Comfort setting did on the 07-12 LS's.

ElliotB

The F sport is stunning in every way. Size wise, except for the wheelbase, it is quite similar to the LS (non L version). I don't know how anyone could consider the 2013 GS F Sport a disappointment in any way!

rominl

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you should tell us what you like / want from your ls460, then we can tell you if that's going to be good or bad move

and you can maybe look at the new ES too

chicago66

I like the roomier fell in the ls 460. but as you guys say .. can always go back to the ls. will report my thoughts after a few weeks if anyone s interested.

ElliotB

Unlike prior years, the 2013 GS and LS are more similar in many ways than you would expect. Interior size is very similar as well:

2013 GS

Internal dimensions: front headroom (inches): 38.0, rear headroom (inches): 37.8, front hip room (inches): 54.5, rear hip room (inches): 54.1, front leg room (inches): 42.3, rear leg room (inches): 36.3, front shoulder room (inches): 57.3 and rear shoulder room (inches): 55.7



2013 LS460 (non L version)

Internal dimensions: front headroom (inches): 38.0, rear headroom (inches): 38.0, front hip room (inches): 55.4, rear hip room (inches): 55.5, front leg room (inches): 43.7, rear leg room (inches): 35.8, front shoulder room (inches): 58.5 and rear shoulder room (inches): 56.9




As far as the exterior dimensions:

GS:
External dimensions: overall length (inches): 190.7, overall width (inches): 72.4, overall height (inches): 57.3, wheelbase (inches): 112.2, front track (inches): 62.0, rear track (inches): 62.6 and curb to curb turning circle (feet): 34.8


LS:
External dimensions: overall length (inches): 200.0, overall width (inches): 73.8, overall height (inches): 58.1, wheelbase (inches): 116.9, front track (inches): 63.6, rear track (inches): 63.8 and curb to curb turning circle (feet): 35.4



The GS is obvious not an LS but it is still a very nice vehicle at a much lower cost. You give up a bit in size but get a lot with the GS. But on a lease, I can't imagine that a loaded F Sport would be all that different from a LS as far as your monthly payment goes.

chicago66

Gs same room inside as ls 460

chicago66

Thanks all

dochusar

I went the reverse, I had both the 2013 non F-sport and the F-Sport GS and traded in as soon as I saw and drove the 2013 LS F-Sport.

The GS provides a very good ride, great performance, and a very nice sport sedan ride, especially the F-Sport.
It competes very well to BMW 5-series and the Audi A6.

The LS interior quality, seat comfort and ride are in a different class comparing to the GS. Even thought he dimensions are similar, the quality of the interior, fit and finish are less plastic and has a better finish. The comfort and ride is very different.

You need to drive the GS back to back to the LS and decide for yourself.

escapedcon

I know it's a bit off topic but here's a quick comparison/ impressions after driving the 2013 ES350 loaner while my 08 LS460 was in service to upgrade the Nav & have the spark plugs replaced (all free of charge )

Let me start by saying I missed my LS while driving the ES.

Having said that, the 2013 ES is still pretty impressive for an entry level Lexus sedan in many respects.
Pretty feature packed.

ES features (off the top of my head)
- the coolest is probably the new blind spot notification in the rear view mirrors. something my 08 LS flagship did not have at that time
- Leather wrapped dash!!! really? in an entry level car? I was very pleasantly surprised! & jealous that my flagship LS does not have it (I know, I know...get the 600 :P)
- just like my LS it had heated seats & steering wheel, park assist, Nav, touch door unlock, back up camera

Features I missed from my LS:
- Hold feature
- soft door closers
- cabin comfort & ride comfort & quitness
- Mark Levinson Reference System sound

The ES is much smaller and you feel a bit cramped inside (even though I'm a small guy, 5"7", 155lbs)
It looks much less imposing & sharp outside even tough it is 5 years newer then my LS
The ES had more road & tire noise obviously and the suspension is rougher but I really liked the cornering in it.
Materials used inside are much cheaper and the doors design is just lame.
I liked the new mouse control on the Nav but I think the Nav screen placement sucks. Too far from the eyes of the driver.
At first I thought the mouse control was tacky but I soon realized it's comfortable and very accessible to maneuver the Nav while resting your hand down next to the gear shift ****. Pretty good design.
Still think the Nav screen is too far tough and because it's recessed inside the dash if you sit too low in your seat part of the screen gets obstructed by the dash surround. So def bad screen placement.

Overall a nice feature packed ride but if you are picky like me it will not do it for you after being used to driving the LS.