rominl

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lol, at 27 you are old man i am 28 and i have been eyeing on the LS for a long time

Stevekil

Sorry, I am a little sensitive but at least you know where I stand.

What irks me is when people masqerade around in a BMW pretending to be kimi or shumi with their large hairy bellies filled with coke and potato chips. Carelessly scratching the large belly with one hand and playing with i-drive with the other, totally ignoring where the steering is taking them.

I have a strong anathema for posers and badge slaves. I understand the casio and rolex argument, but the rolex guy does not claim higher precision or performance. He buys it simply for the beauty and the bling.

So BMW owners should stop pretending superhero status and admit that they buy BMWs for bling. Thats it, no performance and handling excuse.

hypocrisy versus honesty. Thats the choice. Sorry for the harshness.

NoRyceGS4

The Lexus is a GREAT car for what it does. It's smoooth, it's absolutely quiet. The LS is an amazing car, and I absolutely loved the LS I drove. But shopping in this price range, I want the car to do more than that. I want it to command a presence. I want it to have soul, and be fun to drive. It must call to me to drive it, and that is what the BMW does. That is why the 750Li has a spot in my garage.
This is the same argument as why someone would buy a Ferrari when a Corvette will do the same. My Corvette is blazingly fast, and has all the gadgets and gizmos inside. But when I drive the Lamborghini, it's another world; every time I get in it is another experience altogether.
In the end, it is only up to personal preference anyway (which is why these redundant threads are a bit ridiculous). Buy what you like. Yes, I do care to a certain extent what people outside the car see. Anyone who says they don't are liars. I have my GMC Yukon for when I want to blend in (everyday except for weekends). Sometimes I want to be ridiculous.

Stevekil, there is no hypocrisy in it. I know my BMW is flashy, and I like it. I'm going to ignore your comments on how I'm supposd to look, and drive, but I will admit to buying the BMW for a certain amount of "bling". Hypocrisy is buying the LS forcing the belief that there is no bling associated with it. Performance and handling is not an excuse. The 7 gives me confidence that I can respond effectively on curvy roads as well as in emergencies. This, the LS did not completely have. Being someone who is regularly on the racetrack, this was an important determining factor in the decision to go with the BMW over both the S550 and the LS.

RSTSpeed

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Really random, but he was being sarcastic; check out his sig.


FWIW:
I'm in college, so I can't afford ANY of these cars. BUT I'm a valet, so I get to drive a lot of them. I love the 7-series (have driven the 745, 750, and 760). BUT, they are not very easy to operate - all of the buttons for your everyday functions are in odd places. That and the horrible history BMW has with reliability are really the only two reasons I would steer clear of a 750/750Li.

I havn't driven the new LS460, but have driven LOADS of the 430. I LOVE the 430. When one pulls in I call it "the baller-mobile". It's a much more elegant car, and has some really nice features, which are all within view (the 7-series seat controls, for example, are not). It's also got loads more room up front and in the back, and I imagine the new LS460 isn't going to be any different.

As for the Mercedes (which I don't think you're even considering):
Yes, the S550/55 AMG is a VERY nice car. Personally, I think it's a great combo of the 7-series and LS: all the creature comforts and ease of use of the LS, but a much more sporty spirit. Hell, it's german!

If I COULD afford it, I'd probably go with the S-class, but I havn't played around enough with it or even driven an LS460 to make a truely well-informed decision.

luxury1

Whoa! This is really a strange post because many people would say the same about Lexus (re badging). I have owned BMW's and am first on the list for the '08/'09 7 series in Pittsburgh. I also have a rolex. Do I think that I am above anyone? No. Do I buy them just for bling? No.

I think this is a very ignorant broad sweeping statement that is inaccurate. Also your stereotypical appearance is wrong. I am 29 years old, 5'10" and 155 pounds. No large hairy belley.

I really don't think your post adds any benefit but instead is just offensive and ignorant.

Stevekil

Your comments are welcome. No one is trying to influence your buying decisions. It is not the car, but the person sitting in it which commands a presence and has a soul. If the person does not have presence or soul even a flying BMW won't help his personality. So if I were you I would not depend on the car for presence or soul.

You are welcome to skip what I write no one is forcing anyone's leg here. I am sorry you took the hairy belly and potato chips quite personally. LOL! they were meant to be lighthearted humor.
Confidence is not in the car, its in us. By the way, no sane person in the right frame of mind will take 5,000 lbs of metal on a racetrack to generate confidence. For driving pleasures a motorbike or a dedicated 2-seater sports car. That is my thought.

This is what prompted my attention in the first place: This argument that if you cannot afford BMW buy a lexus, and if you can afford a BMW why-o-why buy a lexus is a bunk argument and will be carefully criticized in cordial environment according to CL rules.

Stevekil

How fat people in their heavy BMWs 750Li are killing america. Just for fun, don't go ballistic

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061026/..._consumption_9

LexFather

SIGNATURE WORTHY!!!

NovaIS350

ask yourself this- do you want to run with the herd, and buy the same BMW everyone else in this spending range will buy?..or do you want to make a statement with the Lexus? I say go with the Lexus, just for the sake of being unique (for the time being).

vraa

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Heh, worst point in the world.
If you're going to make a statement you'll get a Rolls or a Bentley.

A simple 100k$ doesn't make a statement.

RSTSpeed

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Gotta say I pretty much agree with that. Although, I wouldn't get a "production car" if I were trying to make a statement and LOADED.

vraa

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I assumed you were looking for something smooth.

4TehNguyen

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Drove a LS460 yesterday and rode in a 750 at taste of Lexus. BMW handles better obviously, the BMW space wasnt as good as the LS460 (wasnt LWB i believe). Interior is absolutely abyssmal in the BMW, not as quiet or smooth riding as the LS. Just depends what you want, if handling means that much to you over a horrific interior then thats your decision. IMO overall the LS is better

exBMWowner

I find all these comments about which car is more prestigious to be quite entertaining. Perhaps it varies depending on which part of the country you live in. I have heard that there are parts of the country where when you see a MBZ, BMW or Lexus driving down the road, it is actually something out of the ordinary.

Here in Southern California, and in particular, Orange County, these cars are so plentiful that I don't think they mean anything special to anyone. I seriously doubt that anyone who sees a Mercedes, BMW or Lexus driving down the street gives any thought at all as to which one is more prestigious than the other.

All of these cars have their merits. It's just a matter of what is most important to you. I do believe that Lexus still represents a buyer who wants maximum luxury for a slightly lower price than the German rivals. As far as the BMW pricing comments, last time I looked at configuring a BMW 750Li it came out to less than the fully loaded LS460L I'm looking at. If I were to "settle" for a BMW, it would be because I can get one for a better price than the Lexus, since they have fallen out of favor in Southern California and as such the dealers are offering some pretty good incentives to move them off the floor - unlike the new LS460's, which the Lexus dealers seem to think are the hottest thing out there (for now).

4TehNguyen

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they are the hottest thing, 1 of 4 dealers in the houston area alone has 100+ deep waiting list, that was 2 weeks ago, who knows how many are waiting total, even for MSRP this car is a bargain, considering everything overall