rominl

iTrader: (4)

while pricing is one consideration, it's definitely not the only, not the most important, factor why we chose lexus. if that's the only fact then i would be driving a camry now.

and i am well capable to buy a bmw, in fact we have considered m3 and m5 when we were shopping for ours. but we ended up with lexus

and your statement didn't make sense too. "only resaon is to save money", followed by "unless you care about value, reliability, etc..." so there are more than one reason?

GS430X6

I agree dont buy a car the first year of production if its a BMW, Audi or MB, however, I have bought 5 new Lexus models the first year of production and I can't remember any of them going to the shop for repairs. Maybe I'm lucky? I dont think so, Lexus is the #1 built car in the world, even the first year of production!!!!!

snikwad

Go with the 7, its a lot more car, and at the end of the day, onthe other side of the pacific it has the same badge, not a toyota badge like the lex.
The reliablity issue was basically dealt with once the new models came around. The E38 had extra problems, but the E65 has way less problem, and the 760 does is not a new car, the engine is an evolution of the old V12, kinda, but its way betetr than the old engines, and besides, the engines were'nt the problem, and body style has been around since 2002, its proven itself.

That S550 is actually newer than the 760, and so is the LS460.

lexusls430

Go with the Lex, i was amazed to see people just come and look at the LS and just stare. Its beautiful inside and out.

marshmallo

Lexus has very good quality even in the first year of production,
however it is not perfect. My 06 GS300 has had a few minor issues
like rattles and a seatbelt recall. Not too bad, but if I am going to
be paying 70K+ for a car I want it to be perfect.

The 7 series IMHO does not play to BMW's strengths. It is a flagship
after all, and handling/engine performance are not as relevant as
luxury. I mean, what kind of an idiot would take a long wheelbase
car to a track?

rominl

iTrader: (4)

lexus is good but far from perfect. their 04 ls430 had quite a few issues in the beginning.

lexusls430

But the 2001 didnt have much trouble at all.

LEX012006

Working at BMW, it is a wonderful car, but for some unknown reason, the Germans can not get electronics down pat. Whereas the Japanese have cornered the market. As we said in the service dept. German car owners love to DRIVE to a destination, Japanese car owners love to be DRIVEN to the destination. Brute strength or silky finesse.

But at the end of the day, you are the one who has to look at & drive this vehicle everyday (or until you sell it.....because you made a bad choice!!) do what your heart and the seat of your pants tell you (it is never really about the money....as car guys know if you want it...you will get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

rominl

iTrader: (4)

but the bottom line is lexus is not perfect. people had some problems with the 06 gs as well? same with the 98 gs, there were few more problems with that car (little problems, not big ones) compared to 99 and above

i am not denying the fact that lexus in general has far less problems on their new models, but i wouldn't say it doesn't have problems at all, and i would be among those who would rather wait a yr

lexusls430

^^ Agreed.

Stevekil

This user hsk73 does not realize that he is only descrediting himself when making such statements. The more he propounds his junk argument, the more he and BMW will loose credibility.

A brand which hasn't produced a single model with above average reliability,

A brand which for all the assumed and media perpetrated handling prowess, hasn't won a single grand prix/ formula 1 championship ever in last 100 years.

Never won more than one Le Mans championship,

never produced a single technological innovation worth mentioning except some cheap mechanical gimickery,

Does not have even one genuine 2-seater sports car in the line up to compete with S2000, cayman, 911, corvette.

Maybe, its time to start examining who is more responsible for this aura of sportiness.

BMW or the magazines.

As for Lexus, at least its more honest and true to itself. lexus never claims sporty as the defining characteristic.

It promises the best quality, the best reliability, the best luxury, and the most advanced technology and the wise among us know that lexus has been the leader in all these departments for quite a while.

15951

What a load. If I hear one more Bimmer fan claim that their car is for "drivers", and all others are simply appliances, I'm going to vomit. Give me a break.

hsk73

Don't be so sensitive about my comment, stevekil!
I'm sorry if it sounded like a junk argument to you... may be I didn't took enough time to write it clearly...

Some people might not agree but my argument is pretty simple...
People buy things for the brand name and brand name ONLY!
Just like why pepole prefer Rolex watch over Casio...
Eventhough Casio watch might have more functions, durable and not to mension... very affordable!

Recently, I've purchased GS! In fact.. I've bought two Lexus!!
And, I must say that the PRICE was the biggest reason why!
I would've love to get 550 or even M5 if I could...
But, I wanted to save money this time around... not doing a good as I use to...

I know BMW is over price in some ways and it's not as reliable as Lexus.
I know... I had 5 of them...
But, it's not that important to some people!
Just need to drive BMW or Benz over Lexus!
OR, even Bentley over BMW if they could...

I hope you understand where I'm coming from now!

Faraaz23

By the way, there is no such thing as a "Toyota" LS460. It's "badged" Lexus now EVERYWHERE.

doktorek

Thank you guys for all your feedbacks. I looked at both forums and it looks like I will be buying LS460. Even the BMW forums tell me that I should go with LEXUS for what I need the car for. Im already through with all that cornering, permormance shocks, superchargers, etc. Been there - done that. Dont get me wrong (Im 27 and love high horepower cars). I need a comfortable car to myself and partially business (limousine for clients). Im in love with the interior of the LS460L just as much as S550. BMW isnt easy to operate (idrive) and interior isnt what I thought it would be. Besides, 2008 BMW gets a makeover. Car would loose too much value once new body comes out. I just sold my 2005 Escalade from less than I though I would get it for.

Mark