LS 600H press Conference Live 9:25 a.m. on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 pg52
03-22-06, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
No one in the latest discussion seems to remember the rumor of a 5.0L V8 in the LS600h from many sources. I think that really makes a lot more sense. The electric drivetrain including the batteries are so heavy and bulky as they are, Lexus can't make it even heavier and bulkier in the LS hybrid. So the electric drivetrain in the LS600h will actually be contributing a 1-liter bump in "virtual displacement" from an "LS500", the same amount of bump from the GS350 to the GS450h.
So by extrapolating the horsepower from the 380hp 4.6L V8 in the LS460, we get 380hp x 5.0L / 4.6L = 413hp. Since the V6 in the GS hybrid gets detuned from 306hp to 292hp, a decrease of (306hp - 292hp) / 306hp x 100% = 4.575%, the 5.0L V8 in the LS600h is likely to get detuned to 413hp x (100 - 4.575)% = 394hp. Throwing in the same electric drivetrain from the GS450h that adds 339hp - 292hp = 47hp in peak horsepower, we get 394hp + 47hp = 441hp for the LS600h.
Of course, the above assumes that the GS hybrid and the LS hybrid shares same electric drivetrain, which might not be the case. But I seriously doubt that the LS hybrid will get an even more powerful one, since the weight gain and space loss will be simply too much.
Comments are welcome.
So by extrapolating the horsepower from the 380hp 4.6L V8 in the LS460, we get 380hp x 5.0L / 4.6L = 413hp. Since the V6 in the GS hybrid gets detuned from 306hp to 292hp, a decrease of (306hp - 292hp) / 306hp x 100% = 4.575%, the 5.0L V8 in the LS600h is likely to get detuned to 413hp x (100 - 4.575)% = 394hp. Throwing in the same electric drivetrain from the GS450h that adds 339hp - 292hp = 47hp in peak horsepower, we get 394hp + 47hp = 441hp for the LS600h.
Of course, the above assumes that the GS hybrid and the LS hybrid shares same electric drivetrain, which might not be the case. But I seriously doubt that the LS hybrid will get an even more powerful one, since the weight gain and space loss will be simply too much.
Comments are welcome.
But I agree with ya man. 
03-22-06, 09:31 AM
#707
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Originally Posted by magneto112
I guess you didnt read my post where I basically said the same thing then. But I agree with ya man.
But I agree with ya man. 
Yep hopefully the rumor of the 5.0L V8 is true, which can also foreshadow an IS500. 
03-22-06, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by magneto112
But also if you notice that the GS450h only makes 339hp, weighs more than the direct competition by about 200-300lbs, and it is still able to achieve faster accleration times than a 550i(360hp), M45(335hp), E500(302hp). The HSD's are actually THAT powerful!! So a lower than average 420-450hp range might be justifiable.
Something to think about.
Something to think about.
03-22-06, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
No one in the latest discussion seems to remember the rumor of a 5.0L V8 in the LS600h from many sources. I think that really makes a lot more sense. The electric drivetrain including the batteries are so heavy and bulky as they are, Lexus can't make it even heavier and bulkier in the LS hybrid. So the electric drivetrain in the LS600h will actually be contributing a 1-liter bump in "virtual displacement" from an "LS500", the same amount of bump from the GS350 to the GS450h.
So by extrapolating the horsepower from the 380hp 4.6L V8 in the LS460, we get 380hp x 5.0L / 4.6L = 413hp. Since the V6 in the GS hybrid gets detuned from 306hp to 292hp, a decrease of (306hp - 292hp) / 306hp x 100% = 4.575%, the 5.0L V8 in the LS600h is likely to get detuned to 413hp x (100 - 4.575)% = 394hp. Throwing in the same electric drivetrain from the GS450h that adds 339hp - 292hp = 47hp in peak horsepower, we get 394hp + 47hp = 441hp for the LS600h.
Of course, the above assumes that the GS hybrid and the LS hybrid shares same electric drivetrain, which might not be the case. But I seriously doubt that the LS hybrid will get an even more powerful one, since the weight gain and space loss will be simply too much.
Comments are welcome.
So by extrapolating the horsepower from the 380hp 4.6L V8 in the LS460, we get 380hp x 5.0L / 4.6L = 413hp. Since the V6 in the GS hybrid gets detuned from 306hp to 292hp, a decrease of (306hp - 292hp) / 306hp x 100% = 4.575%, the 5.0L V8 in the LS600h is likely to get detuned to 413hp x (100 - 4.575)% = 394hp. Throwing in the same electric drivetrain from the GS450h that adds 339hp - 292hp = 47hp in peak horsepower, we get 394hp + 47hp = 441hp for the LS600h.
Of course, the above assumes that the GS hybrid and the LS hybrid shares same electric drivetrain, which might not be the case. But I seriously doubt that the LS hybrid will get an even more powerful one, since the weight gain and space loss will be simply too much.
Comments are welcome.
Your post makes TONS of sense though
03-22-06, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
No one in the latest discussion seems to remember the rumor of a 5.0L V8 in the LS600h from many sources. I think that really makes a lot more sense. The electric drivetrain including the batteries are so heavy and bulky as they are, Lexus can't make it even heavier and bulkier in the LS hybrid. So the electric drivetrain in the LS600h will actually be contributing a 1-liter bump in "virtual displacement" from an "LS500", the same amount of bump from the GS350 to the GS450h.
So by extrapolating the horsepower from the 380hp 4.6L V8 in the LS460, we get 380hp x 5.0L / 4.6L = 413hp. Since the V6 in the GS hybrid gets detuned from 306hp to 292hp, a decrease of (306hp - 292hp) / 306hp x 100% = 4.575%, the 5.0L V8 in the LS600h is likely to get detuned to 413hp x (100 - 4.575)% = 394hp. Throwing in the same electric drivetrain from the GS450h that adds 339hp - 292hp = 47hp in peak horsepower, we get 394hp + 47hp = 441hp for the LS600h.
Of course, the above assumes that the GS hybrid and the LS hybrid shares same electric drivetrain, which might not be the case. But I seriously doubt that the LS hybrid will get an even more powerful one, since the weight gain and space loss will be simply too much.
Comments are welcome.
So by extrapolating the horsepower from the 380hp 4.6L V8 in the LS460, we get 380hp x 5.0L / 4.6L = 413hp. Since the V6 in the GS hybrid gets detuned from 306hp to 292hp, a decrease of (306hp - 292hp) / 306hp x 100% = 4.575%, the 5.0L V8 in the LS600h is likely to get detuned to 413hp x (100 - 4.575)% = 394hp. Throwing in the same electric drivetrain from the GS450h that adds 339hp - 292hp = 47hp in peak horsepower, we get 394hp + 47hp = 441hp for the LS600h.
Of course, the above assumes that the GS hybrid and the LS hybrid shares same electric drivetrain, which might not be the case. But I seriously doubt that the LS hybrid will get an even more powerful one, since the weight gain and space loss will be simply too much.
Comments are welcome.
Lexus will probably only tell us that it produces more than 400 hp and will get to 60 in less than 5 seconds at the NYIAS, then they will come with exact figures that match yours
IN REGARDS TO THE IS DEBUT
maybe it will debut in LA since it is i December this year
03-22-06, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
No one in the latest discussion seems to remember the rumor of a 5.0L V8 in the LS600h from many sources. I think that really makes a lot more sense. The electric drivetrain including the batteries are so heavy and bulky as they are, Lexus can't make it even heavier and bulkier in the LS hybrid. So the electric drivetrain in the LS600h will actually be contributing a 1-liter bump in "virtual displacement" from an "LS500", the same amount of bump from the GS350 to the GS450h.
So by extrapolating the horsepower from the 380hp 4.6L V8 in the LS460, we get 380hp x 5.0L / 4.6L = 413hp. Since the V6 in the GS hybrid gets detuned from 306hp to 292hp, a decrease of (306hp - 292hp) / 306hp x 100% = 4.575%, the 5.0L V8 in the LS600h is likely to get detuned to 413hp x (100 - 4.575)% = 394hp. Throwing in the same electric drivetrain from the GS450h that adds 339hp - 292hp = 47hp in peak horsepower, we get 394hp + 47hp = 441hp for the LS600h.
Of course, the above assumes that the GS hybrid and the LS hybrid shares same electric drivetrain, which might not be the case. But I seriously doubt that the LS hybrid will get an even more powerful one, since the weight gain and space loss will be simply too much.
Comments are welcome.
So by extrapolating the horsepower from the 380hp 4.6L V8 in the LS460, we get 380hp x 5.0L / 4.6L = 413hp. Since the V6 in the GS hybrid gets detuned from 306hp to 292hp, a decrease of (306hp - 292hp) / 306hp x 100% = 4.575%, the 5.0L V8 in the LS600h is likely to get detuned to 413hp x (100 - 4.575)% = 394hp. Throwing in the same electric drivetrain from the GS450h that adds 339hp - 292hp = 47hp in peak horsepower, we get 394hp + 47hp = 441hp for the LS600h.
Of course, the above assumes that the GS hybrid and the LS hybrid shares same electric drivetrain, which might not be the case. But I seriously doubt that the LS hybrid will get an even more powerful one, since the weight gain and space loss will be simply too much.
Comments are welcome.
e.g. gas engines has a flat hp curve from 250hp at 3500rpm + 100hp eletric motor at 3500rpm = 350hp combined, that's how I thought that was calculated
03-22-06, 05:31 PM
#713
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Originally Posted by xioix
I don't think that formula works, because its peak hp of the electric motor plus the gas engine at the same rpm, so depending on how much the gas engine makes at the same point where the electric motor is at is where the combined peak hp is
e.g. gas engines has a flat hp curve from 250hp at 3500rpm + 100hp eletric motor at 3500rpm = 350hp combined, that's how I thought that was calculated
e.g. gas engines has a flat hp curve from 250hp at 3500rpm + 100hp eletric motor at 3500rpm = 350hp combined, that's how I thought that was calculated
You're confusing torque curve with hp curve here.But you're right, since the RPM at which the peak combined horsepower occurs is different than the RPMs at which peak horsepowers of the two different motors occurs, my formula can't be very accurate, though I don't think it'll be far, either.
03-23-06, 01:15 AM
#714
There seems to be a paucity of info, articles, or rumors about the engine and whatever other characteristics the LS 600h would have....any Japanese car magazines have any scoop?
03-23-06, 08:22 AM
#716
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Originally Posted by GS3rdwow
All id like to say is that the HP for the new LS600h will be about 435HP.
but what do i know? lol
but what do i know? lol
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03-23-06, 08:59 AM
#717
Originally Posted by GS3rdwow
All id like to say is that the HP for the new LS600h will be about 435HP.
but what do i know? lol
but what do i know? lol
03-23-06, 09:43 AM
#718
Originally Posted by rominl
how disappointing if so, considering that the ls460 is already 380hp. if the hybrid is going to be like 10k+ more, it better has more than just 50hp increase, otherwise it's going to be really hard (at least for me) to justify it
03-23-06, 10:50 AM
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I think these 'HP' numbers for gas/electric hybrid drivetrains are not very meaningful. They probably have more to do with not making the insurance too outrageous than reality.
The reviews on the GS450h all talk about how awesome the PASSING power is. That's not something you really see on a dyno.
So a combo # of 420 or whatever for an LS600h could still be a BEAST in the real world.
Don't get too hung up on the numbers guys.
The reviews on the GS450h all talk about how awesome the PASSING power is. That's not something you really see on a dyno.
So a combo # of 420 or whatever for an LS600h could still be a BEAST in the real world.
Don't get too hung up on the numbers guys.
03-23-06, 11:32 PM
#720
Originally Posted by spwolf
Hybrids never have huge amounts of hp total, I think performance numbers are more important than HP. If it goes 0-60 well under 5sec 0-60, it would be quite nice. So it doesnt matter if it says 340, 380, 440 or 480, as long as it is fast...