kyoso23

Take a look at this, watch out for this guy. It's a faily obvious scam, but nonetheless check this out. You have to read from bottom to top as it's just a copied Email chain..


Hello,
I have a paypal account but 1 moth ago i'v been scammed and thats why i chose Western Union.
Thank You


On 6/19/07, The Hancocks <kyoso23@hotmail.com> wrote:
Message from Ebay:
Do *not* pay for your items with cash
or cash wire transfers such as Western Union or MoneyGram. If you use
these methods of payment, you are not covered by the eBay Standard
Purchase Protection Program, and you'll have little or no remedy for
transaction problems.


What's the deal here?


>From: "Jimmy Wilson" < jimmywillson560@gmail.com>
>To: "The Hancocks" <kyoso23@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: 1998 Lex LS400 on Craigslist
>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:59:56 +0300
>
>Hello,
>If you have any other questions please ask them.
>Thank's
>
>
>On 6/18/07, The Hancocks < kyoso23@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>I got an email invoice, but it's not from Ebay. It's from some other
>>company. Is there a way for me to go directly through ebay with my login?
>>
>>
>> >From: "Jimmy Wilson" <jimmywillson560@gmail.com>
>> >To: "The Hancocks" < kyoso23@hotmail.com>
>> >Subject: Re: 1998 Lex LS400 on Craigslist
>> >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:16:31 +0300
>> >
>> >Hello,
>> >I sent your information to eBay they will contact you with more
>>information
>> >about payment and insurance, please let me know when they will contact
>>you,
>> >also please send me your # to talk.
>> >You have to send the money to eBay , and they will hold the money untill
>> >you
>> >have the car and inspect, you will have 2 days for inspection and test
>> >drive
>> >and if the car is not like i say or is something wrong with the car you
>>can
>> >reject the car and i will pay the shipping back.
>> >Thank You
>> >
>> >On 6/18/07, The Hancocks <kyoso23@hotmail.com > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Explain to me how I can get the money into a secured protection program
>> >>where I'm fully protected?
>> >>
>> >>I want to be able to see/drive the car before I accept a deal. Excuse
>>me
>> >>if
>> >>I sound a little leary, but I've been ripped off before from wiring
>>money.
>> >>Please know that I have cash and want to do this ASAP. Thanks!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >From: "Jimmy Wilson" < jimmywilson560@gmail.com>
>> >> >To: "The Hancocks" <kyoso23@hotmail.com>
>> >> >Subject: Re: 1998 Lex LS400 on Craigslist
>> >> >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:53:44 +0300
>> >> >
>> >> >Hello,
>> >> >I had the car on eBay and Craigslist for about 8 houres but i decided
>>to
>> >> >cancel both because i had too many emails in my inbox.
>> >> >The price is $2900.00.
>> >> >So if you want to buy please give e your full name and your adress
>>and
>>i
>> >> >will open a case at eBay about our deal and they will contact you
>>with
>> >>more
>> >> >information about payment and insurance.
>> >> >Regard's
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >On 6/18/07, The Hancocks <kyoso23@hotmail.com > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I can't find it on Craigslist again. Do you have the link or is it
>>on
>> >> >>EBAY
>> >> >>too? What was the asking price again?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >From: "Jimmy Wilson" <jimmywilson560@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >To: "The Hancocks" < kyoso23@hotmail.com>
>> >> >> >Subject: Re: 1998 Lex LS400 on Craigslist
>> >> >> >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 02:28:54 +0300
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Hello,
>> >> >> >The VIN Number: JT8BH28F4W0118176
>> >> >> >I attached the pics.
>> >> >> >If you can come to Utah today or tomorow to meet and make the deal
>> >>will
>> >> >>be
>> >> >> >great, if you cant we can do this in this way :
>> >> >> >My brother work's at the shipping company and has one
>>transportation
>> >>per
>> >> >> >year for free ,The car will be shipped on my expance, and will be
>>at
>> >> >>your
>> >> >> >door in 1 max 2 days.
>> >> >> >If you want to continue, please send me your full name and your
>> >>shipping
>> >> >> >address so that I will let eBay Protection Program know that you
>>are
>> >> >> >interested . You will receive an email from them instructing you
>> >>about
>> >> >>how
>> >> >> >to send payment and they'll release the funds to me only after you
>> >> >>receive
>> >> >> >and inspect the car. I think that this is a fair way to make
>>business
>> >> >>and
>> >> >>I
>> >> >> >hope that you will agree. I don't touch your money until you
>>receive
>> >>and
>> >> >> >inspect the car.
>> >> >> >Also, I have to let you know that I want the payment priorr
>>shipping
>> >> >>since
>> >> >> >I
>> >> >> >will shipp it in the same day or next days the payment is complete
>> >>.For
>> >> >>the
>> >> >> >moment I can only accept a wire transfer as a payment method and
>>the
>> >> >> >fastest
>> >> >> >is Western Union .Also you have nothing to warry about because
>>this
>> >>deal
>> >> >> >will be done in a secure way if you prefer.
>> >> >> >The most important thing in all my activity here is that I am
>> >>affiliated
>> >> >>at
>> >> >> >eBay Protection program, I have a a purchase protection account
>>for
>> >> >>5000$
>> >> >> >and i assume you know what mean this.In case we will close this
>> >>deal,you
>> >> >> >are
>> >> >> >protected by eBay Protection Program.How you are protected by eBay
>> >> >> >Protection Program:
>> >> >> >1) In case you will not receive the car as i described to you,eBay
>> >>will
>> >> >> >refund you with 100% from the whole amount which you paid to the
>>eBay
>> >> >> >agent.Even in case you will not receive the car,they will refund
>>you
>> >>the
>> >> >> >money.But this is not the case.
>> >> >> >2) You will send the money to eBay Protecion Program .I will not
>>see
>> >>any
>> >> >> >money untill the car is at you. After you receive and see that the
>> >>car
>> >> >>is
>> >> >> >the one you want you just notify eBay to forward to me the
>>payment
>> >> >>details
>> >> >> >in order for me to pick up my money.
>> >> >> >Let me know if this is ok with so we can move forward with this
>>deal!
>> >> >> >Regards!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >On 6/18/07, The Hancocks < kyoso23@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Can I get the VIN from you so I can run a carfax? Also, I have
>>cash
>> >> >>and
>> >> >> >>would be willing to pick it up. Just to be clear, what price are
>> >>you
>> >> >> >>asking
>> >> >> >>if you didn't have to ship it? I would like to see the car
>> >>personally
>> >> >>and
>> >> >> >>would be willing to fly there and drive it back. I have a soft
>>spot
>> >> >>for
>> >> >> >>any
>> >> >> >>Black Lexus. Any other pictures you have of the car would be
>> >> >>appreciated.
>> >> >> >>Thanks.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >From: "Jimmy Wilson" <jimmywilson560@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >To: "The Hancocks" < kyoso23@hotmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >Subject: Re: 1998 Lex LS400 on Craigslist
>> >> >> >> >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 01:48:31 +0300
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Hi there,
>> >> >> >> >Thank you for contacting me regarding my car.
>> >> >> >> >First of all I want to tell you that the car is in perfect
>> >>condition,
>> >> >> >> >and the price includes all the shipping costs and insurance so
>>you
>> >> >> >> >will not have to pay any extra charges.The car has a Clean
>>Tittle
>> >> >> >> >which will come along with it.I am at my son here in Utah ,
>> >>Ephraim.
>> >> >> >> >The car is with me here and is in a perfect condition.
>> >> >> >> >It's a great car.
>> >> >> >> >I am devastated that I have to sell it but i really need money
>>for
>> >>my
>> >> >> >>son
>> >> >> >> >because he is in the hospital,so I decided to sell it.
>> >> >> >> >Tell me if there is anything else you would like to know about
>>the
>> >> >>car.
>> >> >> >> >If u want to see more pictures of the car please ask me that !
>> >> >> >> >Thank you for the interest you have shown in purchasing the
>>car.
>> >> >> >> >Please reply,
>> >> >> >> >Regards,

kyoso23

Copy of the Invoice "from EBAY" in text form. It was all pro looking with all the fields and logos everywhere like it "should be". I knew about 3-4 messages in that he was scamming, but I let it go on to see how far he would go. I gave him my work address for shipping and he sent this...

eBay sent this message to kyoso23
eBay Purchase Protection Invoice # 62813461

Invoice for Purcahse Protection Transaction Case ID 2410482639 between Jimmy Wilson as the Seller, and kyoso23, as the Buyer. Please follow our instructions to complete the transaction safely.



Seller:

Name: Jimmy Wilson
Address: 475 South Maine, Ephraim, Utah.

Buyer:
kyoso23

Transaction Details:

Case ID: 2410482639
Date: 18-06-2007
Status: Awaiting payment

Item: 1998 Lexus LS 400 1 OWNER !!! -

$2900
Price: US $ 2,900.00
Quantity: 1
Insurance: US $ 2,900.00
Shipping: US $ 0,00.00

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Shipping to*: kyoso23
*Please check the details for an accurate delivery in order to avoid delays.



Payment must be submitted via Western Union Money Transfer to an eBay Agent in charge of this transaction. The eBay Agent will secure the payment until the Buyer receives, inspects and accepts the item. Or, if it is the case, the Agent will refund the payment to the Buyer.


eBay Agent*:

First Name: Robert
Last Name: Zimerman
Address: 590 W Flagler St
City: Miami
State: Florida
Zip: 33130
Country: United States

*The Western Union Money Transfer will be sent using this name and address.

Payment:

Invoice # : 62813461
Due Date: 3 business days

Subtotal: US $ 2,900.00
Shipping: 0
Sales Tax: 0

Deposit: US $ 2,900.00

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Total: US $ 2,900.00


How to make the payment

Click below to find the nearest Western Union office:
www.westernunion.com
Send the payment using eBay Agent's name and address (found below) as payment details.
E-mail* eBay Financial Department

the following payment information:
Case ID and Invoice #;
MTCN# - 10 digits number found on the payment receipt;
Sender's Name and Address;
Receiver's Name and Address;
Total Amount Sent.
Fax* the Western Union payment receipt to eBay Financial Department at: 606-644-0411



*We strongly recommend that you confirm the payment by both e-mail and fax.




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All the transaction, payment and personal information is considered confidential and will not be released under any circumstances.
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LiCelsior

iTrader: (32)

damn dude, so what happens now?

kyoso23

Hopefully he rots in hell. I figured out something wasn't right by the 3rd or 4th email, so of course I never sent any money or anything. I wanted to post this here in case anyone looking to buy a LS400 for cheap doesn't get caught up by this douchecanoe.

NewLSlover

I watched a whole show about these dudes doin this crap...they're over in third world countries doing it. BASTARDS!

Then again the whole 98 LS for 2900 gave it away to me from the get go

LiCelsior

iTrader: (32)

oh i thought u gave him the money already. whew, good job keepin your eyes open.

kyoso23

Right. I thought it had a salvaged title or something. He sent me mad pictures of the car from each and every angle inside and out and when he gave me the VIN and I ran a carfax, it came back squeaky clean. That's when I asked him the price again because that's when I knew something was up.

kyoso23

Sheet. I don't send anyone money for anything over $100 or so unless I see it with my own eyes.