Decided to go with Pirelli P7 for my LS430
02-15-15, 04:47 PM
#151
Pole Position
I seriously doubt the difference between a Michelin H and V rated tired is much on our sedans. Again, on our sedans. I honestly did not look at the tire directly, I looked it up online. I'll look at the tire to confirm.
The new A/S looks like a great tire. I would probably get the V rated tire for a dollar more. It's interesting, as they wear the MXV4's have better braking in dry and the Premier A/S has better in wet.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/n...ears/index.htm
The new A/S looks like a great tire. I would probably get the V rated tire for a dollar more. It's interesting, as they wear the MXV4's have better braking in dry and the Premier A/S has better in wet.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/n...ears/index.htm
This is the main reason I went with the Premier. The consistency between wet/dry/new/worn performance is amazing. I just hope that the noise and ride comfort remain the same as the tire ages. How you feel about a tire new is only part of the story. I plan to keep them rotated/balanced/aligned and will report back as time goes on. But right now, I couldn't be happier.
02-15-15, 04:51 PM
#152
The V rated handled better because of the stiffer sidewalls.Those stiffer sidewalls do not absorb road imperfections as well as a softer sidewall.
I'm not saying there's a huge difference but there was one.
Never tried Premieres but can't see how a H and V rating can have the same ride.
Last edited by Joeb427; 02-15-15 at 04:54 PM.
02-15-15, 05:08 PM
#153
Pole Position
I'm comparing the H rated Primacy to the V rated Premier. Honestly, I can't tell the difference in ride quality or road noise. Maybe it's the already soft suspension of the LS or the taller sidewall of the 17" wheel, I don't know, but I can't tell.
02-15-15, 06:30 PM
#154
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
So it comes down to personal preference.......not a major diff in feel but certainly enough if u push your car. I would assume the 430 sport suspension drivers who like the tight feel are all over the V rated and the 430 UL would be more into the H rated feel...........sign me up for the UL and some H action......I want to float down the highway on a cloud.......a fast cloud..... 
02-15-15, 08:59 PM
#155
Yeah, between V and H the difference is not much. Want to feel a difference? Change your rim size to a 19 or 20. Then you will feel the road... Even going from a 17 to 18. I think 17's offer the most comfort but 20's look the best. 225/55/17 really ride great. I just refuse to ride on a 35mm sidewall. I would like to upgrade the rims as the chrome is starting to age buy not sure what I want.
02-16-15, 05:27 AM
#156
Moderator
Yeah, between V and H the difference is not much. Want to feel a difference? Change your rim size to a 19 or 20. Then you will feel the road... Even going from a 17 to 18. I think 17's offer the most comfort but 20's look the best. 225/55/17 really ride great. I just refuse to ride on a 35mm sidewall. I would like to upgrade the rims as the chrome is starting to age buy not sure what I want.
02-16-15, 03:28 PM
#157
Driver School Candidate
I replaced my MXV4 with continental pure contact based on good reviews and consumer reports ratings.
Great tire so far. $804 dollars for 4 out the door at Sears.
Great tire so far. $804 dollars for 4 out the door at Sears.
02-16-15, 05:46 PM
#158
17 to 18 feels like a difference to me. I'll take the 245/45/18 any day over the 225/55/17 jmo I can only handle so much float when there is room for less float w/o being jarring..
02-16-15, 06:20 PM
#159
The main benefit to that thicker sidewall is absorbing the impact of rough roads. 17 inch is definitely more comfortable then an 18. Probably a little less handling but a 17 also will in general last longer. People with 18" and up rims are lucky to see 40k miles on their tires. I don't experience any floating. Just comfort.
02-18-15, 04:35 PM
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I just read this entire thread from beginning to end. Lots of laughs. JPV7774 ... let me guess; you're an engineer, right? My option would be to trade your existing LS 430 for one that has the ML sound system in it. Then have the disc player set to start automatically ... and have some Rachmaninoff piano concertos ready to go, in which case, road noise will be a concern of the past. All kidding aside, I've really enjoyed all the banter back and forth. I'm about ready to replace the tires on my low mileage (59,450 miles) 2005 LS 430. Your input has been invaluable. Thanks for that.
Take care ...
Take care ...
02-18-15, 07:05 PM
#161
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
woooooooo hoooooooo! This tire thread has come a long way and jumped all over the place.
Oreganpapa it makes me feel good that you took the time to read the entire thread......that u enjoyed my attempts at humor........and most importantly you benefited from everyones input. Thats awesome!!! That makes it all worth while. I think its pretty obvious that I enjoy Club Lexus and I have learned so much on this site...so it was my intent to really track down the absolute best tire for our LS430s ....
There are a lot of variables which we have discussed along the way.....but we still have not crowned an absolute KING OF THE WORLD tire for our cars. But we have certainly confirmed 3 or 4 good options
Mich Premier AS
Mich MXV4 not sure what rating is best
And Pirelli P7
others were mentioned and I would research them as well if I was in the market......for me I think if I were to be forced to choose a tire other than the P7.....I would go with the Premier AS......but for the record....I still think it is very possible that my Pirellis are as good or better than the Premier.......
papa.....funny....nope im not an engineer but thanks for thinking so......Im just a regular guy that had to wait in line until the 430 my dream car finally became affordable .....then I pounced on one. Now I have been upgraded to first class from coach
the funny thing about the road noise in the 430....I do have the ML sound system.....And I love to listen to music....but when I drive the 430 I prefer to listen to that smooooooth engine just purrrrrrrrr........as it shifts through all 6 speeds like butter..........then when I am cruisin at about 50mph I lay my foot into the pedal and it feels like I am in a plane taking off......I always tell the wife that its good for the car to blow some carbon out every so often.........
Give the Pirellis a chance in your search......
Oreganpapa it makes me feel good that you took the time to read the entire thread......that u enjoyed my attempts at humor........and most importantly you benefited from everyones input. Thats awesome!!! That makes it all worth while. I think its pretty obvious that I enjoy Club Lexus and I have learned so much on this site...so it was my intent to really track down the absolute best tire for our LS430s ....
There are a lot of variables which we have discussed along the way.....but we still have not crowned an absolute KING OF THE WORLD tire for our cars. But we have certainly confirmed 3 or 4 good options
Mich Premier AS
Mich MXV4 not sure what rating is best
And Pirelli P7
others were mentioned and I would research them as well if I was in the market......for me I think if I were to be forced to choose a tire other than the P7.....I would go with the Premier AS......but for the record....I still think it is very possible that my Pirellis are as good or better than the Premier.......
papa.....funny....nope im not an engineer but thanks for thinking so......Im just a regular guy that had to wait in line until the 430 my dream car finally became affordable .....then I pounced on one. Now I have been upgraded to first class from coach
the funny thing about the road noise in the 430....I do have the ML sound system.....And I love to listen to music....but when I drive the 430 I prefer to listen to that smooooooth engine just purrrrrrrrr........as it shifts through all 6 speeds like butter..........then when I am cruisin at about 50mph I lay my foot into the pedal and it feels like I am in a plane taking off......I always tell the wife that its good for the car to blow some carbon out every so often.........
Give the Pirellis a chance in your search......
02-18-15, 07:38 PM
#162
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
Hey check this out.....I just found a couple more threads similar to this one. But here is the Tire Rack review of the tires we have been talking about....warning.....its a long read...but very informative. I prob should have just put the link here but lets try the copy and paste thing. After reading this it really looks like I made the right choice for the reasons that were important to me......I wanted smooth and quiet.......according to the Tire Rack review.....The Pirellis are the king of smooth and quiet.....they did say it wasnt as good in wet traction as the Mich A/S but that wasnt my top priority. They noted Mich A/S noisy on certain pavement and expansion joints......But over all they seem to really like the Mich A/S............I will stick with smooth and quiet thank u very much....oh and my tires got the best gas mileage too!!! .I will try to paste article below........crap it dint paste correctly....I will try to go back and find the link.....but you can read most of it below.
Testing the Michelin Premier A/S: Is it the New Benchmark Among Grand Touring All-Season Tires?
Test ReportTest Result ChartsSpider ChartsTest Result Video
June 6, 2014
Tires tested:
Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus (Grand Touring All-Season, 215/60R16 95V)
What We Liked: Reasonable road manners
What We'd Improve: Wet weather performance
Conclusion: A contender in the category that is beginning to feel a little outpaced by newer tires
Continental PureContact w/EcoPlus Technology (Grand Touring All-Season, 215/60R16 95V)
What We Liked: Great wet and dry traction and responsive handling
What We'd Improve: Soften the ride a little
Conclusion: A very good option for drivers who want traction and confident handling
Michelin Premier A/S (Grand Touring All-Season, 215/60R16 95V)
What We Liked: Excellent wet weather grip
What We'd Improve: A small increase in ultimate dry traction
Conclusion: A very good blend of comfort and traction
Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season Plus (Grand Touring All-Season, 215/60R16 95V)
What We Liked: A very smooth and quiet ride
What We'd Improve: Moderate increase in wet traction
Conclusion: One of the best-riding Grand Touring All-Season tires
Vehicles used:
2014 BMW F30 328i Sedan
Premier adjective (\pri- 'mir)
: first in position, rank or importance*
*Merriam-Webster
Grand Touring All-Season tires are designed to deliver a blend of refined ride comfort, good traction and handling, long tread wear and all-season capability. That blend of characteristics makes it a popular choice for drivers, and a key category for the tire manufacturers. It's full of good choices, and brings high expectations from drivers who want the best from their tires. Michelin has set their sights on being the leader in the Grand Touring All-Season category, and has aptly named their latest tire Premier A/S.
Michelin tires have a reputation for delivering long wear and a smooth ride. They've designed the Premier A/S to build on that by emphasizing wet traction, and not just when new, but through the tire's life when wet performance traditionally falls off versus a new tire.
Premier A/S uses several new technologies to accomplish the goal. The foundation is a high-traction tread rubber compound, featuring extreme levels of silica and sunflower oil to aid wet and cold weather traction. Michelin has also found a way to mold the tread pattern in such a way that the main circumferential rain grooves get wider towards the base rather than narrower like in traditional tire designs. This helps minimize the restriction of water flowing through the tire footprint as the tread gets shallower. Premier A/S also has emerging grooves in the shoulder blocks that transition from a thin, slit-like sipe to an actual groove, also helping give water a place to go when the rest of the tread is getting shallower.
To find out how well Premier A/S drives and performs, we conducted a Real World Road Ride and Performance Track Drive comparing it with the top three performers in the Grand Touring All-Season category - the Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus, Continental PureContact with EcoPlus Technology and the Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season Plus. Our evaluation used 2014 BMW F30 328i sedans fitted with new, full tread depth 215/60R16 tires mounted on 16x7.5 wheels.
What We Learned on the Road
Our 6.0-mile loop of expressway, state highway and county roads provides a great variety of road conditions that include city and highway speeds, smooth and coarse concrete, as well as new and patched asphalt. This route allows our team to experience noise comfort, ride quality and everyday handling, just as you would during your drive to school or work.
Grand Touring All-Season tires are a treat to drive out on the road, thanks to their blend of comfortable and quiet ride and reassuring handling. Our team found the Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season Plus to be very smooth and quiet, absorbing bumps and expansion joints well and producing minimal tread pattern noise. The Bridgestone Turanza Serenity followed, also doing a nice job of cushioning the ride over rough and jarring sections of our route. The tread pattern is relatively quiet, but this tire did produce a bit more noise than the Pirelli when encountering larger impacts. The Michelin Premier A/S was also smooth-riding and relatively quiet, except when rolling over the cross-grooved concrete expressway section, where its tread pattern generated a hint of a distinctive tone discernable over the ambient noise from wind and surrounding traffic. Rounding out the group was the Continental PureContact with EcoPlus Technology. The ride of the PureContact is very appropriate for a tire in the Grand Touring All-Season category, and is by no means harsh or stiff riding. It's just slightly firmer than the others when compared side-by-side.
The payback for the PureContact comes in the form of steering response and precision. This tire drives very well and follows driver inputs with exacting precision. Our team also liked the overall handling of the Premier A/S, thanks to its very stable feel when tracking straight ahead, which made coping with cross winds effortless. The Cinturato P7 All Season Plus and Turanza Serenity Plus both also handled well, feeling stable and predictable.
What We Learned on the Test Track
Our 1/3-mile per lap test track course includes 90-degree street corners, a five-cone slalom and simulated expressway ramps. Run in both dry and wet conditions, the test track allows our team to experience the traction, responsiveness, handling and drivability normally only encountered during abrupt emergency avoidance maneuvers or competition events.
On the track in dry conditions the Continental PureContact with EcoPlus Technology felt the most stable and responsive, netting a small advantage in braking, cornering traction and overall lap time. The other three tires were similar in performance and tightly grouped, just a little behind the level of the PureContact.
In wet conditions we found a greater separation across the group, with the Premier A/S and PureContact providing very similar and high levels of overall traction and stability. Somewhat behind the lead pair was the Turanza Serenity Plus which felt stable, but with lower overall traction. Back another step was the Cinturato P7 All Season Plus, feeling somewhat slippery in comparison to the other tires in the test.
Driving In Winter Conditions
We will conduct subjective and objective tests in the snow and on the ice in the coming winter season. Stay tuned for the results once testing has been completed.
Fuel Consumption Results
Our Real World Road Ride features a relatively flat 6.0-mile loop of 65 mph expressway, 55 mph state highway and 40 mph county roads along with two stop signs and one traffic light every lap. Our team drove each tire approximately 400 miles over the course of several days. Since we wanted to compare fuel consumption results that typical drivers would experience, our drivers were instructed to maintain the flow of traffic by running at the posted speed limits and sustain the vehicle's speed using cruise control whenever possible. They did not use hypermiling techniques to influence vehicle fuel economy.
Tire Line Test
MPG* Gallons/Year
@ 15,000 Miles % vs. Most Efficient
Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus 31.1 482.3 -1.9%
Continental PureContact w/ Ecoplus Technology 31.4 477.7 -1.0%
Michelin Premier A/S 31.4 477.7 -1.0%
Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season 31.7 473.2 --
*Our evaluation used Linear Logic ScanGauge II automotive computers to record fuel consumption, and Race Technology DL1 data loggers to record true distance travelled.
Based on our results, the 0.6-mile per gallon difference between our lowest and highest observed fuel economy would result in an annual difference of slightly more than 9 gallons of premium gasoline. At the current cost of $4.00/gallon, it would amount to an annual difference of just under $37 for drivers driving 15,000 miles per year.
It's important to note our test's fuel consumption measurements follow consistent procedures designed to minimize variables that could influence the results, however they do not represent an exhaustive long-range fuel consumption study. While our procedures require the test vehicles in each convoy to run under the same prevailing conditions, the week-to-week differences in ambient temperatures, barometric pressures and wind speeds that we experience over a season of testing can influence vehicle fuel consumption and prevent the absolute mpg values of this test from being compared directly against those of others.
Larger differences in consumption between tires may indicate a difference that might be experienced on the road, while smaller differences should be considered equivalent. As they say, your mileage may vary.
Summary
After driving on all four tires it's easy to say it's a tight race for the top spot. Any one of these tires will deliver a nice driving experience out on the road. While we didn't have the ability to simulate worn tire performance, Michelin has put some new technology into the Premier A/S that should help it maintain it's strong wet weather performance over time. (See additional test results.) The Continental PureContact with EcoPlus Technology also focuses on delivering excellent traction in dry and wet conditions. The Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus strives to strike a balance across all areas, and delivers a good overall blend of capability. The Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season Plus excels in providing a smooth and comfortable ride, but doesn't have the wet traction to match the capability of the others.
Product Details
Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus (Grand Touring All-Season): The Turanza Serenity Plus is Bridgestone's Grand Touring All-Season tire developed for drivers of mid-level and premium luxury coupes, sedans, minivans and crossover vehicles. Compared to its predecessor, the tire offers longer wear, greater snow traction and lower rolling resistance, which contributes to better vehicle fuel economy. Designed to provide Bridgestone's ultimate in luxury, elegance and comfort, Turanza Serenity Plus tires blend long wear with dry, wet and wintertime traction, even in light snow. Read more.
Continental PureContact w/EcoPlus Technology (Grand Touring All-Season): The PureContact with EcoPlus Technology is Continental's Grand Touring All-Season tire developed for the drivers of luxury performance sedans, sporty coupes and crossover vehicles. PureContact tires are designed to balance long wear, a comfortable ride and low rolling resistance with wet grip and all-season traction, even in light snow. Read more.
Michelin Premier A/S (Grand Touring All-Season): The Premier A/S is Michelin's Grand Touring All-Season tire developed for the drivers of coupes, sedans and minivans looking for tires that deliver category-leading wet grip when new and when worn. And even when worn, Premier A/S tires are designed to stop shorter on wet roads than leading competitors' brand-new tires, as well as provide all-season traction on wintry roads, even in light snow. Read more.
Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season Plus (Grand Touring All-Season): The Cinturato P7 All Season Plus is Pirelli's Grand Touring All-Season tire designed for the drivers of touring and luxury touring cars looking for tires offering predictable handling, everyday comfort and all-season traction. Developed to be environmentally friendly, Pirelli's EcoImpact icons confirm the Cinturato P7 All Season Plus' contribution to the environment with regards to energy efficiency, clean air, low noise and long wear. Designed to be driven in America's diverse weather conditions, the Cinturato P7 All Season Plus features lower weight, less rolling resistance and reduced noise while enhancing wet braking and year-round traction, even in light snow. Read more.
Road Manners & Dry/Wet Track
(Combined Subjective Rating) (Higher number is better)
7.407.437.477.31
9
8
7
6
5
4
Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus
Continental PureContact with EcoPlus Technology
Michelin Premier A/S
Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season Plus
Testing the Michelin Premier A/S: Is it the New Benchmark Among Grand Touring All-Season Tires?
Test ReportTest Result ChartsSpider ChartsTest Result Video
June 6, 2014
Tires tested:
Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus (Grand Touring All-Season, 215/60R16 95V)
What We Liked: Reasonable road manners
What We'd Improve: Wet weather performance
Conclusion: A contender in the category that is beginning to feel a little outpaced by newer tires
Continental PureContact w/EcoPlus Technology (Grand Touring All-Season, 215/60R16 95V)
What We Liked: Great wet and dry traction and responsive handling
What We'd Improve: Soften the ride a little
Conclusion: A very good option for drivers who want traction and confident handling
Michelin Premier A/S (Grand Touring All-Season, 215/60R16 95V)
What We Liked: Excellent wet weather grip
What We'd Improve: A small increase in ultimate dry traction
Conclusion: A very good blend of comfort and traction
Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season Plus (Grand Touring All-Season, 215/60R16 95V)
What We Liked: A very smooth and quiet ride
What We'd Improve: Moderate increase in wet traction
Conclusion: One of the best-riding Grand Touring All-Season tires
Vehicles used:
2014 BMW F30 328i Sedan
Premier adjective (\pri- 'mir)
: first in position, rank or importance*
*Merriam-Webster
Grand Touring All-Season tires are designed to deliver a blend of refined ride comfort, good traction and handling, long tread wear and all-season capability. That blend of characteristics makes it a popular choice for drivers, and a key category for the tire manufacturers. It's full of good choices, and brings high expectations from drivers who want the best from their tires. Michelin has set their sights on being the leader in the Grand Touring All-Season category, and has aptly named their latest tire Premier A/S.
Michelin tires have a reputation for delivering long wear and a smooth ride. They've designed the Premier A/S to build on that by emphasizing wet traction, and not just when new, but through the tire's life when wet performance traditionally falls off versus a new tire.
Premier A/S uses several new technologies to accomplish the goal. The foundation is a high-traction tread rubber compound, featuring extreme levels of silica and sunflower oil to aid wet and cold weather traction. Michelin has also found a way to mold the tread pattern in such a way that the main circumferential rain grooves get wider towards the base rather than narrower like in traditional tire designs. This helps minimize the restriction of water flowing through the tire footprint as the tread gets shallower. Premier A/S also has emerging grooves in the shoulder blocks that transition from a thin, slit-like sipe to an actual groove, also helping give water a place to go when the rest of the tread is getting shallower.
To find out how well Premier A/S drives and performs, we conducted a Real World Road Ride and Performance Track Drive comparing it with the top three performers in the Grand Touring All-Season category - the Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus, Continental PureContact with EcoPlus Technology and the Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season Plus. Our evaluation used 2014 BMW F30 328i sedans fitted with new, full tread depth 215/60R16 tires mounted on 16x7.5 wheels.
What We Learned on the Road
Our 6.0-mile loop of expressway, state highway and county roads provides a great variety of road conditions that include city and highway speeds, smooth and coarse concrete, as well as new and patched asphalt. This route allows our team to experience noise comfort, ride quality and everyday handling, just as you would during your drive to school or work.
Grand Touring All-Season tires are a treat to drive out on the road, thanks to their blend of comfortable and quiet ride and reassuring handling. Our team found the Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season Plus to be very smooth and quiet, absorbing bumps and expansion joints well and producing minimal tread pattern noise. The Bridgestone Turanza Serenity followed, also doing a nice job of cushioning the ride over rough and jarring sections of our route. The tread pattern is relatively quiet, but this tire did produce a bit more noise than the Pirelli when encountering larger impacts. The Michelin Premier A/S was also smooth-riding and relatively quiet, except when rolling over the cross-grooved concrete expressway section, where its tread pattern generated a hint of a distinctive tone discernable over the ambient noise from wind and surrounding traffic. Rounding out the group was the Continental PureContact with EcoPlus Technology. The ride of the PureContact is very appropriate for a tire in the Grand Touring All-Season category, and is by no means harsh or stiff riding. It's just slightly firmer than the others when compared side-by-side.
The payback for the PureContact comes in the form of steering response and precision. This tire drives very well and follows driver inputs with exacting precision. Our team also liked the overall handling of the Premier A/S, thanks to its very stable feel when tracking straight ahead, which made coping with cross winds effortless. The Cinturato P7 All Season Plus and Turanza Serenity Plus both also handled well, feeling stable and predictable.
What We Learned on the Test Track
Our 1/3-mile per lap test track course includes 90-degree street corners, a five-cone slalom and simulated expressway ramps. Run in both dry and wet conditions, the test track allows our team to experience the traction, responsiveness, handling and drivability normally only encountered during abrupt emergency avoidance maneuvers or competition events.
On the track in dry conditions the Continental PureContact with EcoPlus Technology felt the most stable and responsive, netting a small advantage in braking, cornering traction and overall lap time. The other three tires were similar in performance and tightly grouped, just a little behind the level of the PureContact.
In wet conditions we found a greater separation across the group, with the Premier A/S and PureContact providing very similar and high levels of overall traction and stability. Somewhat behind the lead pair was the Turanza Serenity Plus which felt stable, but with lower overall traction. Back another step was the Cinturato P7 All Season Plus, feeling somewhat slippery in comparison to the other tires in the test.
Driving In Winter Conditions
We will conduct subjective and objective tests in the snow and on the ice in the coming winter season. Stay tuned for the results once testing has been completed.
Fuel Consumption Results
Our Real World Road Ride features a relatively flat 6.0-mile loop of 65 mph expressway, 55 mph state highway and 40 mph county roads along with two stop signs and one traffic light every lap. Our team drove each tire approximately 400 miles over the course of several days. Since we wanted to compare fuel consumption results that typical drivers would experience, our drivers were instructed to maintain the flow of traffic by running at the posted speed limits and sustain the vehicle's speed using cruise control whenever possible. They did not use hypermiling techniques to influence vehicle fuel economy.
Tire Line Test
MPG* Gallons/Year
@ 15,000 Miles % vs. Most Efficient
Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus 31.1 482.3 -1.9%
Continental PureContact w/ Ecoplus Technology 31.4 477.7 -1.0%
Michelin Premier A/S 31.4 477.7 -1.0%
Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season 31.7 473.2 --
*Our evaluation used Linear Logic ScanGauge II automotive computers to record fuel consumption, and Race Technology DL1 data loggers to record true distance travelled.
Based on our results, the 0.6-mile per gallon difference between our lowest and highest observed fuel economy would result in an annual difference of slightly more than 9 gallons of premium gasoline. At the current cost of $4.00/gallon, it would amount to an annual difference of just under $37 for drivers driving 15,000 miles per year.
It's important to note our test's fuel consumption measurements follow consistent procedures designed to minimize variables that could influence the results, however they do not represent an exhaustive long-range fuel consumption study. While our procedures require the test vehicles in each convoy to run under the same prevailing conditions, the week-to-week differences in ambient temperatures, barometric pressures and wind speeds that we experience over a season of testing can influence vehicle fuel consumption and prevent the absolute mpg values of this test from being compared directly against those of others.
Larger differences in consumption between tires may indicate a difference that might be experienced on the road, while smaller differences should be considered equivalent. As they say, your mileage may vary.
Summary
After driving on all four tires it's easy to say it's a tight race for the top spot. Any one of these tires will deliver a nice driving experience out on the road. While we didn't have the ability to simulate worn tire performance, Michelin has put some new technology into the Premier A/S that should help it maintain it's strong wet weather performance over time. (See additional test results.) The Continental PureContact with EcoPlus Technology also focuses on delivering excellent traction in dry and wet conditions. The Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus strives to strike a balance across all areas, and delivers a good overall blend of capability. The Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season Plus excels in providing a smooth and comfortable ride, but doesn't have the wet traction to match the capability of the others.
Product Details
Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus (Grand Touring All-Season): The Turanza Serenity Plus is Bridgestone's Grand Touring All-Season tire developed for drivers of mid-level and premium luxury coupes, sedans, minivans and crossover vehicles. Compared to its predecessor, the tire offers longer wear, greater snow traction and lower rolling resistance, which contributes to better vehicle fuel economy. Designed to provide Bridgestone's ultimate in luxury, elegance and comfort, Turanza Serenity Plus tires blend long wear with dry, wet and wintertime traction, even in light snow. Read more.
Continental PureContact w/EcoPlus Technology (Grand Touring All-Season): The PureContact with EcoPlus Technology is Continental's Grand Touring All-Season tire developed for the drivers of luxury performance sedans, sporty coupes and crossover vehicles. PureContact tires are designed to balance long wear, a comfortable ride and low rolling resistance with wet grip and all-season traction, even in light snow. Read more.
Michelin Premier A/S (Grand Touring All-Season): The Premier A/S is Michelin's Grand Touring All-Season tire developed for the drivers of coupes, sedans and minivans looking for tires that deliver category-leading wet grip when new and when worn. And even when worn, Premier A/S tires are designed to stop shorter on wet roads than leading competitors' brand-new tires, as well as provide all-season traction on wintry roads, even in light snow. Read more.
Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season Plus (Grand Touring All-Season): The Cinturato P7 All Season Plus is Pirelli's Grand Touring All-Season tire designed for the drivers of touring and luxury touring cars looking for tires offering predictable handling, everyday comfort and all-season traction. Developed to be environmentally friendly, Pirelli's EcoImpact icons confirm the Cinturato P7 All Season Plus' contribution to the environment with regards to energy efficiency, clean air, low noise and long wear. Designed to be driven in America's diverse weather conditions, the Cinturato P7 All Season Plus features lower weight, less rolling resistance and reduced noise while enhancing wet braking and year-round traction, even in light snow. Read more.
Road Manners & Dry/Wet Track
(Combined Subjective Rating) (Higher number is better)
7.407.437.477.31
9
8
7
6
5
4
Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus
Continental PureContact with EcoPlus Technology
Michelin Premier A/S
Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season Plus
02-18-15, 07:42 PM
#163
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
Sorry for the multiple posts guys......here is the link to the tire test.....the diff in the link and what I posted above is that u can click on the read more sections......
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...&affiliate=DZ1
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...&affiliate=DZ1
02-26-15, 09:27 AM
#164
I looked into the Pirellis and for some reason, they are $100 more per tire here locally than the Premier.
Tomorrow I will be getting a set of 17" Premier A/S 97H put on my car. The Primacys have been good to me for the 45k miles they endured. Out the door cost will be $825. Costco would be about $30 cheaper (have to buy membership), and Sams Club about $25 cheaper. I decided on a local guy down the street to give my money to.
Tomorrow I will be getting a set of 17" Premier A/S 97H put on my car. The Primacys have been good to me for the 45k miles they endured. Out the door cost will be $825. Costco would be about $30 cheaper (have to buy membership), and Sams Club about $25 cheaper. I decided on a local guy down the street to give my money to.
02-26-15, 09:33 AM
#165
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
well u cant go wrong either way.....thats weird the Pirellis cost more though......are u sure u chose the proper speed rating? I believe I paid $146 per tire for my P7s.......had the store match tire rack.....
if u want quiet and smooth go Pirellis.......if u want to really fast around wet corners....go Mich
if u want quiet and smooth go Pirellis.......if u want to really fast around wet corners....go Mich