zippinbye

My friend became owner #3 an 02 LS 430 on my advice last year. 147k mileage. Records consisted of owner #1 taking it to the dealer for everything through 60K or so. Owner #2 had indie shop records, quite detailed for oil changes, brakes, coolant change and a few other things, all done at responsible intervals. No docs on TB. Seller didn't know #*&$ about cars, but we kind of assumed the TB had been done based on evident overall care, but there was no sticker indicating so. Called the indy. He couldn't remember doing it, but said his often advises customers to wait until the water pump weeps or makes noise, and then do the whole package. He said "I'm 38, started as an oil change monkey at at a Lexus dealer at 18. Went to tech school and became full-fledged line service guy. 15 years in Toy/Lex dealers, now 5 in my own place. I have never seen a hydraulically tensioned Toyota engine break a belt. Period. Seen them with 300K+ even. But reality is the pump goes in the 100-150K range, and that's when I recommend changing the belt. On a typical 90K LS, I'd rather see my customers tend to a front end issue or some other maintenance item rather than waste a grand on something unnecessary." Enlightening from a guy who could have made more money going the other way. My buddy used the lack of TB change proof as leverage, and the seller honored it dollar for dollar.

Anyhow, said LS water pump got squeaky at 155K. We took it apart a few days ago and found that everything associated with timing and cooling was original. And in good visual condition. We're waiting on parts, but it will be rolling with a new belt, tensioned water pump, and coolant very soon. Based on what I saw, I don't have much grief that my GX has 95K and I'm waiting until I have some time off next month to address it.

ForrestY33

I got the exact same advice from a trusted independent Toyota/Lexus tech when I called him to see how much he would charge to change my timing belt at 90K. He advised me to wait if/until the water pump started failing and then change the timing belt then.

BradTank

Shops LOVE to do timing belts, it's a gravy job that usually technicians fight over. Just be aware of that when you get the upsell.

I have a friend with an Acura TL and the dealer convinced him to have a timing belt replacement with something like 4 years and 55k miles. He knows absolutely nothing about cars and the dealer knew it and scared him with horror stories about buying a new engine. I believe the owner's manual on that particular model states 105k miles for the timing belt.

BMW7_LS430

On the contrary my untrusted Lexus dealer wanted me to change timing belt 2 years ago at 58K and bunch of other stuff totaling $4K.

I was in a pinch to resolve the rounded/stuck lugnut issue and had forked over $800 already. Within a month (and driving car for 4 times in that period) axle leak started. I went back for warranty and they were not willing to accept that it was their fault. I showed them $4K carrot and got $500 worth (in Lexus dollars which means $100 elsewhere) of fix done and then waved them good bye at the end. They were not very happy and felt I was not caring for my car. Well, they don't know how much I care for my car and how up to date I am on every little item.

BMW7_LS430

Just leaned today reading through forum that sjohnson83 changed TB/WP at 260K miles first time after he bought the car in 2005 at 85K. Car runs as a Taxi and he uses regular gas.
Afterall it is one's risk taking ability. I think Lexus will pass the test but owner may not.

levie

iTrader: (1)

i could see the dealer wanting to do it way more often then you should in an attepmt to make more money off you coming in to do it. I just got my LS and havent had much time to really tinker with it. If i want to check the condition of my TB/WP would i just be able to pop the cover off and have a look at it, or is it a pain in the butt to get a look at?

Photos would be helpful as well.

Thanks guys.

Owngold

As a new forum member, Thank you for all the great and detailed answers here. Without asking new questions there a lot of answers to glean.

Basically, I'm hearing that mileage trumps age? Is that about right? I'm looking at a '01 with 85k miles. Should I plan on a TB right away?

Kira X

iTrader: (24)

I think it would be a good idea to get it done. I bought my LS with 89k miles and I'm going to replace the timing belt and all that stuff since one of my tensioners is squealing. I just hit 98k last week.

I've been browing Rockauto's site and tbey have the OEM kit pretty cheap.

Owngold

Let me know how that goes Kira X. What's the package code or kit on Rockauto! Price? Does it include water pump?

Kira X

iTrader: (24)

It does include the water pump. I'll have to look when I get home to see the price since I'm posting from my phone right now. It's the AISIN kit.

BMW7_LS430

AISIN Part # TKT021 Engine Timing Belt Kit with Water Pump
Hydraulic Tensioner: Included; Interference Engine: With; With Hydraulic Tensioner; Interference engine

$194.79

choiceISF

I have an 04 with 78k miles,
All this talk got me to contact my Lexus mechanic that has worked on my LS since day 1.
I asked him if I should take care of the timing belt now even though I am not at 90K.
He said he would do it if i wanted but he said to wait atleast until 90K.

Kira X

iTrader: (24)

That's it! I'm ordering one in the next week or so. Rock Auto sent me a 5% off coupon.

Is there anything else besides the stuff in the kit and spark plugs that needs to be replaced at 90k miles?

jayclapp

fyi. Just got my 04 LS430 back after having the timing belt changed at 90,030 miles. They gave me the old belt. Visually, it looks new.

BMW7_LS430

Thanks for the first hand report. I can continue to wait now.