2005 LS Transmission Maintenance
01-02-09, 03:29 PM
#16
Lexus Fanatic
READ THE TSIB!!! 
It basically states do not change it, only inspect it every 100K. If it appears to need change then do so with the correct type of fluid. Use SST (Special Service Tool) # 00002–11100–02.
It basically states do not change it, only inspect it every 100K. If it appears to need change then do so with the correct type of fluid. Use SST (Special Service Tool) # 00002–11100–02.
Last edited by GSoup; 01-02-09 at 03:32 PM.
01-02-09, 08:08 PM
#17
If you're going to drive the LS430 to the ground because you love it so, then conventional wisdom would say that if you can drain and fill with fresh WS-ATF, then do it every 100K or so because no fluid is going to last the "life" of the car. If the fluid fails at 200k, then that's the life of the car right? If the fluid fails at 250K, then that's the life of the car. If it fails 100k, that's the life of the car. It's surely not going to fail during the warranty period. So, you want the "life of the car" to last truely as long as possible, then flush and fill with the special took every 100K. 100K is just my "magic number" nothing here that's from experience.
05-02-10, 08:11 AM
#23
Moderator
wow ..I understand the reasoning but I feel going 100k between fluid changes may be pushing it. I have no objective facts ...so 100k may be just fine - I think I'll do it at 60k maybe?
On my other cars I do trans fluid flush at 30k. I tend to drive my cars 10-12 years and put 140k miles total on them before replacing the car ...so 60k fluid change on trans may be overkill in my case because if I do it at 120 k I will be selling it only 10-20k later. .
Yea I really don't like that bs about "lifetime" trans fluid. Not sure who's lifetime they are referring to.
On my other cars I do trans fluid flush at 30k. I tend to drive my cars 10-12 years and put 140k miles total on them before replacing the car ...so 60k fluid change on trans may be overkill in my case because if I do it at 120 k I will be selling it only 10-20k later. .
Yea I really don't like that bs about "lifetime" trans fluid. Not sure who's lifetime they are referring to.
05-04-10, 07:33 AM
#24
Consequently, is the tranny failure an indication that it's time to change the fluid because the TRANNY'S life has expired, or is a tranny failure an indication to change the fluid because the FLUID'S life has now expired (...and subsequently caused the tranny to fail!) EITHER WAY-DEALER WINS! (pun intended)
All this talk of tranny's is making go NUTS! Wait!
Nevermind....
08-27-10, 07:39 AM
#25
100,000 Maintenance Interval — Inspection only; ATF-WS does NOT require any flushing or changing during the life of the vehicle.
The use of Genuine Toyota ATF-WS is recommended.
The use of additives or aftermarket fluids that are considered compatible
or substitutes may result in shift concerns and damage to the internal
transmission components.
ATF-WS is NOT compatible with T-IV or Dexron ATF.
Containers storing Toyota ATF-WS should always be sealed — If exposed to the
atmosphere, ATF-WS may absorb moisture and potentially cause shift concerns if
used in operation.
One time use only.
When performing repairs on ATF-WS equipped transaxles, it is important to use
only new, clean ATF–WS when refilling the ATM.
ATF-WS equipped ATMs may use the overflow type procedure — Any fluid
drained from the overflow plug should be discarded following proper local
regulations and never reused. Failure to do so could result in shift concerns and
damage to the internal transmission components.
Important
Information
The use of Genuine Toyota ATF-WS is recommended.
The use of additives or aftermarket fluids that are considered compatible
or substitutes may result in shift concerns and damage to the internal
transmission components.
ATF-WS is NOT compatible with T-IV or Dexron ATF.
Containers storing Toyota ATF-WS should always be sealed — If exposed to the
atmosphere, ATF-WS may absorb moisture and potentially cause shift concerns if
used in operation.
One time use only.
When performing repairs on ATF-WS equipped transaxles, it is important to use
only new, clean ATF–WS when refilling the ATM.
ATF-WS equipped ATMs may use the overflow type procedure — Any fluid
drained from the overflow plug should be discarded following proper local
regulations and never reused. Failure to do so could result in shift concerns and
damage to the internal transmission components.
Important
Information
08-27-10, 07:43 AM
#26
08-27-10, 09:15 AM
#27
Since the Tranny is sealed you will need a machine that hooks up to the return line and then it hooks up to the other side. Then it swaps out the fluid using the tranny pump. Never use the machine that has its own pump.
WS fluid they rate it as lasting for ever but everyone knows fluid breaks down, changing it at 60k is a great idea. But all the dealers don't want to touch it. some dealers will do it no problem. After you pass 60k closer to 80k dealers will make you sign a waiver since the fluid might of broken down in a certain way that its help keep the seals on your tranny, then with fresh fluid it will clean them away and then you will have problems.
They rate it to last the warrantied period, they only care about the warranty period anything that happens after that is all on you.
imo if you can change the fluid do it. the earlier the better.
WS fluid they rate it as lasting for ever but everyone knows fluid breaks down, changing it at 60k is a great idea. But all the dealers don't want to touch it. some dealers will do it no problem. After you pass 60k closer to 80k dealers will make you sign a waiver since the fluid might of broken down in a certain way that its help keep the seals on your tranny, then with fresh fluid it will clean them away and then you will have problems.
They rate it to last the warrantied period, they only care about the warranty period anything that happens after that is all on you.
imo if you can change the fluid do it. the earlier the better.
08-27-10, 02:32 PM
#28
Transmission Fluid Changes
Folks, technology changes. Do any of you REALLY thinks Lexus wants your transmission to fail, regardless of the mileage on it ? A realistic answer is NO. They want your business so they are not going to "Sabatage" your transmission by all this non-sense about how long to let it stay.
MY Lexus Technician friend says it's a real "HASSLE" to change out the fluid, that it does require special equipment and the Tech has to know what he's doing.
Is anyone pulling their wheel bearings off an re-packing them any more ? NO, they are sealed units and you drive them till they are worn out, or NOT worn out. Advanced technology.......and we are stuck with "OLD HABITS", ME INCLUDED. I'd love to change the fluid on my 2005 LS-430, but just as sure as I did, I'd encounter transmission problems and the Dealership would "Fault ME" for not following Manufacturer's Recommendation.
Get over it, drive it and shop different LEXUS DEALERSHIPS for different advice. Face it, they are the one's with the REAL KNOWLEDGE and experience on Lexus Cars.
I'm from the old school also of changing coolant and transmission fluid regularly, but I'm going to have to change my ways with the advanced technology. Lexus is not in the business of running customers off. They need all they can get, and frankly, this is one more reason I will drive a Lexus, LESS REQUIRED MAINTENANCE.
MY Lexus Technician friend says it's a real "HASSLE" to change out the fluid, that it does require special equipment and the Tech has to know what he's doing.
Is anyone pulling their wheel bearings off an re-packing them any more ? NO, they are sealed units and you drive them till they are worn out, or NOT worn out. Advanced technology.......and we are stuck with "OLD HABITS", ME INCLUDED. I'd love to change the fluid on my 2005 LS-430, but just as sure as I did, I'd encounter transmission problems and the Dealership would "Fault ME" for not following Manufacturer's Recommendation.
Get over it, drive it and shop different LEXUS DEALERSHIPS for different advice. Face it, they are the one's with the REAL KNOWLEDGE and experience on Lexus Cars.
I'm from the old school also of changing coolant and transmission fluid regularly, but I'm going to have to change my ways with the advanced technology. Lexus is not in the business of running customers off. They need all they can get, and frankly, this is one more reason I will drive a Lexus, LESS REQUIRED MAINTENANCE.
08-28-10, 08:09 AM
#29
Pole Position
talk about some old school,, I had a 33' 5th wheel camper and when ya talk to other RVers they all say you should repack them bearings every year, and many people do such,, I did do mine the first year as the MFG had done a pretty crappy job at it,, loaded them with Mobil 1 synthetic grease and the following year and many after that they always looked good,,
I use to be one of those 3K oil drop fans as well,, the Mobil 1 in my 430 at 5K still is clean and looks like it was installed last week,, 7500 miles for me,,
agree with Carunt, knowledge has advanced considerably in the lubrication world but many mind sets have not,,
Derry
I use to be one of those 3K oil drop fans as well,, the Mobil 1 in my 430 at 5K still is clean and looks like it was installed last week,, 7500 miles for me,,
agree with Carunt, knowledge has advanced considerably in the lubrication world but many mind sets have not,,
Derry
08-28-10, 08:47 AM
#30
IF any of you decide to have your transmission fluid changed before the DEALER recommends it, you "Better have it done by a Dealer", and with their recommendation. If you let some shade-tree mechanic do it and when he's finished and your transmission won't shift, or won't shift correctly, "IT'S YOUR FAULT", not Lexus. Better yet, if you are not comfortable with going with Manufacturer's recommendation, "I'd trade cars to another brand". By the way, some of those other Luxury Brands have the same sealed transmissions with no change recommended. Do your homework, do what your dealer recommends or get out of the Lexus cars and go to something you can spend some money on for Preventive Maintenance.
We used to pack our wheel bearings VERY often......again, when's the last time you packed a wheel bearing on your Lexus ? It's the 21st Century folks, time to move on, or catch up to the idea. If your Dealership recommends a tranny oil change at 100,000 miles, and you let them, then put them on notice it's THEIR problem if it doesn't shift correctly when you go to pick it up. Make sure it's test driven before you get too far from the Dealership.
As for me, I wish they had not have sealed the tranny and the coolant for such a long period of time between changes, we would not be having to type so much about it. I'd love to go have mine changed now and my 2005 LS just rolled over to 60K, but according to my Lexus Tech friend, "I'm playing with fire if I do".
Be your own judge. But remember, "Judges make mistakes too".
We used to pack our wheel bearings VERY often......again, when's the last time you packed a wheel bearing on your Lexus ? It's the 21st Century folks, time to move on, or catch up to the idea. If your Dealership recommends a tranny oil change at 100,000 miles, and you let them, then put them on notice it's THEIR problem if it doesn't shift correctly when you go to pick it up. Make sure it's test driven before you get too far from the Dealership.
As for me, I wish they had not have sealed the tranny and the coolant for such a long period of time between changes, we would not be having to type so much about it. I'd love to go have mine changed now and my 2005 LS just rolled over to 60K, but according to my Lexus Tech friend, "I'm playing with fire if I do".
Be your own judge. But remember, "Judges make mistakes too".