LS Cost Same as in 1989!
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LS Cost Same as in 1989!
As I have posted before, I owned one of the very first 1990 LS400 cars sold in the fall of 1989. 14 years ago. Anyway, I just "came back" to Lexus (the mistake was moving on to Mercedes) with a new '03 LS430, sticker just a hair below $58,000.
I began to wonder to myself how the car could have gone from $38,000 in 1989 to $58,000 today. Then I did some calculations. First, I went to a web site that computes prices adjusted for inflation. To my surprise, $38,000 of 1989 dollars equals about $57,000 today. Then you have to adjust for the standard equipment in today's car (CD changer, heated seats, better warranty, traction control, air cooled seats, multiple air-bags vs just a single airbag in the '90) and, surprise, the car actually costs the same or less in inflation adjusted terms as the 1990 model year car.
I am not sure what good this info is, other than it's just interesting!
Daryll40
I began to wonder to myself how the car could have gone from $38,000 in 1989 to $58,000 today. Then I did some calculations. First, I went to a web site that computes prices adjusted for inflation. To my surprise, $38,000 of 1989 dollars equals about $57,000 today. Then you have to adjust for the standard equipment in today's car (CD changer, heated seats, better warranty, traction control, air cooled seats, multiple air-bags vs just a single airbag in the '90) and, surprise, the car actually costs the same or less in inflation adjusted terms as the 1990 model year car.
I am not sure what good this info is, other than it's just interesting!
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Re: LS Cost Same as in 1989!
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As I have posted before, I owned one of the very first 1990 LS400 cars sold in the fall of 1989. 14 years ago. Anyway, I just "came back" to Lexus (the mistake was moving on to Mercedes) with a new '03 LS430, sticker just a hair below $58,000.
I began to wonder to myself how the car could have gone from $38,000 in 1989 to $58,000 today. Then I did some calculations. First, I went to a web site that computes prices adjusted for inflation. To my surprise, $38,000 of 1989 dollars equals about $57,000 today. Then you have to adjust for the standard equipment in today's car (CD changer, heated seats, better warranty, traction control, air cooled seats, multiple air-bags vs just a single airbag in the '90) and, surprise, the car actually costs the same or less in inflation adjusted terms as the 1990 model year car.
I am not sure what good this info is, other than it's just interesting!
Daryll40
As I have posted before, I owned one of the very first 1990 LS400 cars sold in the fall of 1989. 14 years ago. Anyway, I just "came back" to Lexus (the mistake was moving on to Mercedes) with a new '03 LS430, sticker just a hair below $58,000.
I began to wonder to myself how the car could have gone from $38,000 in 1989 to $58,000 today. Then I did some calculations. First, I went to a web site that computes prices adjusted for inflation. To my surprise, $38,000 of 1989 dollars equals about $57,000 today. Then you have to adjust for the standard equipment in today's car (CD changer, heated seats, better warranty, traction control, air cooled seats, multiple air-bags vs just a single airbag in the '90) and, surprise, the car actually costs the same or less in inflation adjusted terms as the 1990 model year car.
I am not sure what good this info is, other than it's just interesting!
Daryll40
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32K MI on an LS that you bot used 2 years ago? You sure don't go anywhere!
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Originally posted by daryll40
32K MI on an LS that you bot used 2 years ago? You sure don't go anywhere!
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32K MI on an LS that you bot used 2 years ago? You sure don't go anywhere!
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Re: LS Cost Same as in 1989!
Originally posted by daryll40
As I have posted before, I owned one of the very first 1990 LS400 cars sold in the fall of 1989. 14 years ago. Anyway, I just "came back" to Lexus (the mistake was moving on to Mercedes) with a new '03 LS430, sticker just a hair below $58,000.
I began to wonder to myself how the car could have gone from $38,000 in 1989 to $58,000 today. Then I did some calculations. First, I went to a web site that computes prices adjusted for inflation. To my surprise, $38,000 of 1989 dollars equals about $57,000 today. Then you have to adjust for the standard equipment in today's car (CD changer, heated seats, better warranty, traction control, air cooled seats, multiple air-bags vs just a single airbag in the '90) and, surprise, the car actually costs the same or less in inflation adjusted terms as the 1990 model year car.
I am not sure what good this info is, other than it's just interesting!
Daryll40
As I have posted before, I owned one of the very first 1990 LS400 cars sold in the fall of 1989. 14 years ago. Anyway, I just "came back" to Lexus (the mistake was moving on to Mercedes) with a new '03 LS430, sticker just a hair below $58,000.
I began to wonder to myself how the car could have gone from $38,000 in 1989 to $58,000 today. Then I did some calculations. First, I went to a web site that computes prices adjusted for inflation. To my surprise, $38,000 of 1989 dollars equals about $57,000 today. Then you have to adjust for the standard equipment in today's car (CD changer, heated seats, better warranty, traction control, air cooled seats, multiple air-bags vs just a single airbag in the '90) and, surprise, the car actually costs the same or less in inflation adjusted terms as the 1990 model year car.
I am not sure what good this info is, other than it's just interesting!
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Whether or not Lexus made money in 1989 on each LS or not, that has nothing to do with my point. So how am I wrong?
Here is the math, pure and simple. Today's "average equipped" LS costs about the same in inflation adjusted terms as the 1990 model.
1990 LS, average options, stickered for $38,000.
2003 LS, average options, stickers for about $58,000
CPI as of September 1, 1989 was 125.0
Today the CPI is 184.6
184.6 is 48% higher than 125.
$38,000...the sticker price of the 1990 Lexus in 1989...plus 48% equals $56,240. Add in the extra airbags, better radio and CD changer (that was extra money in 1989), the better 6 yr 70000 powertrain warranty and maybe a few other things I can't remember offhand and the car is priced about the same in REAL, INFLATION ADJUSTED TERMS as in 1989.
Toyota's profit or loss on each car is not my point.
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Here is the math, pure and simple. Today's "average equipped" LS costs about the same in inflation adjusted terms as the 1990 model.
1990 LS, average options, stickered for $38,000.
2003 LS, average options, stickers for about $58,000
CPI as of September 1, 1989 was 125.0
Today the CPI is 184.6
184.6 is 48% higher than 125.
$38,000...the sticker price of the 1990 Lexus in 1989...plus 48% equals $56,240. Add in the extra airbags, better radio and CD changer (that was extra money in 1989), the better 6 yr 70000 powertrain warranty and maybe a few other things I can't remember offhand and the car is priced about the same in REAL, INFLATION ADJUSTED TERMS as in 1989.
Toyota's profit or loss on each car is not my point.
Daryll40
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I see your point Daryl and your analysis looks just fine, it's just a rough comparison. The average Joe wouldn't even know what the CPI is!
A very interesting point you have noticed; thanks for pointing it out to us .
A very interesting point you have noticed; thanks for pointing it out to us .
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Daryll:
using a similar analysis, it will appear that the '04 LS is cheaper than the '03 version. Why ?
'04 stickers at ~ '03 sticker, BUT with major changes some of which are standard:
6-speed tranny in '04 (0-60 @ 5.9s vs 6.3s)
moonroof
2 additional airbags (for the knees) in '04 over '03
These standard equipments alone constitute many more $ on the '04, yet pricing remained at '03 level. Factor in the subjective exterior changes, and you can see that bar none, the '04 is a great buy over the '03 any way you slice/dice it. If I were buying an LS, I'd buy the '04 in a heartbeat.
Q: how much better will the redesign be by MY '06 ? Hmmmm.....
using a similar analysis, it will appear that the '04 LS is cheaper than the '03 version. Why ?
'04 stickers at ~ '03 sticker, BUT with major changes some of which are standard:
6-speed tranny in '04 (0-60 @ 5.9s vs 6.3s)
moonroof
2 additional airbags (for the knees) in '04 over '03
These standard equipments alone constitute many more $ on the '04, yet pricing remained at '03 level. Factor in the subjective exterior changes, and you can see that bar none, the '04 is a great buy over the '03 any way you slice/dice it. If I were buying an LS, I'd buy the '04 in a heartbeat.
Q: how much better will the redesign be by MY '06 ? Hmmmm.....
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Now we are talking about something somewhat different. On the surface, you are absolutely right that the '04 packs more features and a newer, updated bodystyle for the same STICKER price. The reality, however, is that smart shoppers won't pay full sticker for an '03 if they can get an '04 for the same price. So, unless you are a sucker (and I am sure the Lexus dealers have found a few), and most purchasers of $50,000+ vehicles are at least somewhat financally savvy, the TRUE TRANSACTION price of the '03 will be less to reflect it's lower value in the marketplace.
As to your comment that most people don't know what the consumer price index (CPI) is...c'mon! Any babyboomer who lived thru the inflationary '70s...and most buyers of $50,000+ cars are at least that old, surely knows about inflation and the CPI. I totally disagree that Lexus buyers don't know what CPI is.
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As to your comment that most people don't know what the consumer price index (CPI) is...c'mon! Any babyboomer who lived thru the inflationary '70s...and most buyers of $50,000+ cars are at least that old, surely knows about inflation and the CPI. I totally disagree that Lexus buyers don't know what CPI is.
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Daryl: When new- do you think your 90 LS400 was a higher quality car than your new LS430? I have heard that quality has went down. Especially after 1994. I have heard that the 90-94 LS400s were the most reliable and best built. I have no idea however.
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I doubt it. My '03 LS430 only has 2500 miles on it, but so far not one flaw. From what I read on the internet bulletin boards and the car magazines, quality is just not an issue...it's solid. Was the 90-94 better? My guess is that the current vehicle is just as good, with more toys and a more evolved (better seats, better sound system, etc) setup.
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