markgs300

AN LS430 with the NAV is about $60K ($61K with the LEX LINK which most of Mark Lev/NAV pkgs come with but I have seen one without the LEXLINK)

Now it never hurts to ask, but is it realistic to offer $54 at this time of year? I've been offered $51,200 for a base model, which I don't want.

Daddy-O

Based on my secret formula for pricing new automobiles (Don't ask), my calculations yield $55,600 as the optimal selling price for the 2002 LS 430, with Custom Luxury Selection package (LP).

End of the month, perhaps better.

markgs300

Hmmm ... thats a tough one. Think I'd rather start looking harder for pre-owned 01's, White with Mark Lev and CA Walnut wood. Found a couple of 01's with a NAV at a very good price but both had the Birds eye maple - me do not like this wood.

BimmerLexus

LS430 sales are soft....even with its early production bugs, the New 7 is selling like hot cakes and killing the LS430....

My dealer was begging me to look at a LS430 last time I was in for service.

Personally, it looks like a big Avalon, but inside is nice.

Joe

EGainer

oh man, dont compare it to a big avalon, the lex looks so much better in my opinion. the new bmw is more expensive. its around 90k. my dad got the fully loaded ultra package ls and it was about 75k

BimmerLexus

$90 is a loaded 745Li
LS dosen't compare....LEXUS regular Nav is nice though, but that BMW V8 and six Speed are industry Benchmarks!

Joe

LS400

Your close..I say $55,000 around this time of year. Are you looking at the medium luxury (the level above the base but below the Ultra Luxury [it has everything except the refrigerator, the massage seats, the parking bumper sensors, etc.])? If your looking at the mid luxury..yes, I saw around $55 or $56.

LS400

Not a insult to BMW, but my friend who is a technician says quite a number of people aren't satisfied with their 745's. His fellow techies say that BMW basically put up an incomplete car (loaded with bugs and problems)..that is his words, not mine. He just told me because I was discussing with him about asking about the 745 because my dad really likes them (even though he's a Lexus customer).

BimmerLexus

Anyone who has had even a Lexus knows that...look at the starters that caught fire on 97 ES300s and Camry V6s, and the ECU problems with 98 GS400s and LS400s, and the water problems with 01 LS430s.

Granted Toyota's first year bugs are less than others, but I never buy a first year anything!

The techs I've spoken too in the BMWCCA say the current crop of 7's being delivered are fine.

I love the iDrive (I am a MAC user).

Joe

LS400

Very true. Our '01 LS430 was the only 1st year car for Lexus (I guess we were anxious to get one because "it was a big year and hyped-up brand new model"). We haven't had any problems except one tail light light bulb failed on the 2nd month, but it has remained problem-free since then. But for everything else, we usually wait until the 2nd year or + so they can work out the bugs and problems.

I'm sure the BMW 745 will have way less bugs and problems next year when they refine everything (as most cars do).

HoleinOne

I just picked up my 2002 LS 430 last Thursday for $54,800. It has the Euro-tuned suspension with chrome wheels and NAV/Mark Lev package with Lex Link.

I was originally planning to trade in my E320 for a S430; but, after I test drove the LS I was impressed. It was a no brainer after I was able to get the discount - LS is a much better value.

I have put 500+ miles on it so far and just love it.

markgs300

I agree with that. Take a look in this month's Car & Driver in the BackFire section (Right in the Begining). Ther is am owner who conveys his frustration with this BMW model. Now, there is always going to be issues with every car and you'll always find many owners who have legit gripes. But the owner on this article seems to be the theme of the 7. Read the part where he says"It doesn't feel connected to the road - it just doesn't drive like a BMW." The technology changes and their bugs in these models are one thing but to read that the car doesn't drive like a BMW, well, that was a shocker.

I personally like the LS430. I think its the best value car out there although tio m, it is a rather big car.

But I won't pay for a new one, especially because I'm desparate to Twin Turbo my '99 vette and there is no way I can have both.