2013 LS 460 Disappointed
#31
Driver School Candidate
Thread Starter
If you have read my previous postings on all three issues, would have seen that I did in fact reach out for assistance and how to repair these items.
In the end, a service tech in KS and in FL both told me they are seeing the same complaints from LS 460 owners and there is no remedy at this time.
So, the two postings from mcraney and dr jekyll are without merit and like so many other car forums, it is unfortunate these two who most likely are somehow affiliated with Lexus and are simply trying to protect their interests.
To all others, I appreciate your advice and wish you the best of luck with your LS 460.
In the end, a service tech in KS and in FL both told me they are seeing the same complaints from LS 460 owners and there is no remedy at this time.
So, the two postings from mcraney and dr jekyll are without merit and like so many other car forums, it is unfortunate these two who most likely are somehow affiliated with Lexus and are simply trying to protect their interests.
To all others, I appreciate your advice and wish you the best of luck with your LS 460.
#32
If you have read my previous postings on all three issues, would have seen that I did in fact reach out for assistance and how to repair these items.
In the end, a service tech in KS and in FL both told me they are seeing the same complaints from LS 460 owners and there is no remedy at this time.
So, the two postings from mcraney and dr jekyll are without merit and like so many other car forums, it is unfortunate these two who most likely are somehow affiliated with Lexus and are simply trying to protect their interests.
To all others, I appreciate your advice and wish you the best of luck with your LS 460.
In the end, a service tech in KS and in FL both told me they are seeing the same complaints from LS 460 owners and there is no remedy at this time.
So, the two postings from mcraney and dr jekyll are without merit and like so many other car forums, it is unfortunate these two who most likely are somehow affiliated with Lexus and are simply trying to protect their interests.
To all others, I appreciate your advice and wish you the best of luck with your LS 460.
#33
Lexus Champion
iTrader: (1)
If you have read my previous postings on all three issues, would have seen that I did in fact reach out for assistance and how to repair these items.
In the end, a service tech in KS and in FL both told me they are seeing the same complaints from LS 460 owners and there is no remedy at this time.
So, the two postings from mcraney and dr jekyll are without merit and like so many other car forums, it is unfortunate these two who most likely are somehow affiliated with Lexus and are simply trying to protect their interests.
To all others, I appreciate your advice and wish you the best of luck with your LS 460.
In the end, a service tech in KS and in FL both told me they are seeing the same complaints from LS 460 owners and there is no remedy at this time.
So, the two postings from mcraney and dr jekyll are without merit and like so many other car forums, it is unfortunate these two who most likely are somehow affiliated with Lexus and are simply trying to protect their interests.
To all others, I appreciate your advice and wish you the best of luck with your LS 460.
Lastly you unfairly lumped jmcraney in with this "bad apple".
I wish you well with your next vehicle. I hope it serves you better than your LS460.
#34
Lexus Fanatic
For instance in this thread you have been asked several times if you have paint protection film on the mirrors and whether or not your car had the original windshield. You haven't responded to either question.
So, the two postings from mcraney and dr jekyll are without merit and like so many other car forums, it is unfortunate these two who most likely are somehow affiliated with Lexus and are simply trying to protect their interests.
Finding that would require that you set aside your anger and paranoia and put some effort into a solution yourself. The only person who suffers from you not taking action is you. These posts don't hurt Lexus.
To your continued assertions that these members are "Lexus schills" posting here somehow to keep you from spreading the word of your displeasure or somehow trying to keep you from a solution to your problem. That makes as much sense as us saying that you're a plant put here by Mercedes to discredit Lexus and spread their interests. Is that accurate? jmcraney is a moderator, with the power to delete threads and ban members, if his goals were as you said, wouldn't he have deleted this thread and banned you from the forum?
Drove home on the highway today in my LS460 at 80MPH, no wind noise whatsoever. I have a sneaking suspicion if you tried some of the things we've suggested here yours can be just as quiet...
Last edited by SW17LS; 04-08-16 at 01:33 PM.
#35
I just want to pop in and say hi. I haven't really posted here in a long time and will probably not because the LS has become boring. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it and it's dead quiet. When a car gets to this point it becomes so reliable you take it for granted and gravitate to other areas of interest.
No transmission noise ,no wind noise and in general pretty uneventful.
If I had transmission issues like this guy I would feel miserable not just because I have the issue but because I'm the only one without any company to vent my frustrations.
I remember when I had the BMW I didn't have to vent because there were several documented fixes on the issues I was having.
I'm afraid if you are in the minority that has a lemon you will be a pioneer trying to fix issues that nobody has seen before which is probably not a good thing if you are trying to solve your specific problem in a car that is dead reliable for most owners.
No transmission noise ,no wind noise and in general pretty uneventful.
If I had transmission issues like this guy I would feel miserable not just because I have the issue but because I'm the only one without any company to vent my frustrations.
I remember when I had the BMW I didn't have to vent because there were several documented fixes on the issues I was having.
I'm afraid if you are in the minority that has a lemon you will be a pioneer trying to fix issues that nobody has seen before which is probably not a good thing if you are trying to solve your specific problem in a car that is dead reliable for most owners.
#36
Lexus Test Driver
Well, I haven't read a lot of responses here so I cannot comment on those, but he was just sharing his miserable experience, at least his first post.
I've done similar whines for bad struts on my previous car. I already knew what was wrong and hoping that misery-loves-company, lol. But, I just flat-out asked how common or other people's experiences with versus saying this car sucks! But hey, that's his prerogative. Not sure what we could have done other than to help diagnose and share in his misery (assuming he wanted some sympathy) and maybe if he asked that question is his first post (in addition to his whines), it wouldn't have spiraled to where it is now.
In any case, that's water under the bridge at this point. Good luck!
I've done similar whines for bad struts on my previous car. I already knew what was wrong and hoping that misery-loves-company, lol. But, I just flat-out asked how common or other people's experiences with versus saying this car sucks! But hey, that's his prerogative. Not sure what we could have done other than to help diagnose and share in his misery (assuming he wanted some sympathy) and maybe if he asked that question is his first post (in addition to his whines), it wouldn't have spiraled to where it is now.
In any case, that's water under the bridge at this point. Good luck!
#37
Lexus Champion
I just want to pop in and say hi. I haven't really posted here in a long time and will probably not because the LS has become boring. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it and it's dead quiet. When a car gets to this point it becomes so reliable you take it for granted and gravitate to other areas of interest.
No transmission noise ,no wind noise and in general pretty uneventful.
If I had transmission issues like this guy I would feel miserable not just because I have the issue but because I'm the only one without any company to vent my frustrations.
I remember when I had the BMW I didn't have to vent because there were several documented fixes on the issues I was having.
I'm afraid if you are in the minority that has a lemon you will be a pioneer trying to fix issues that nobody has seen before which is probably not a good thing if you are trying to solve your specific problem in a car that is dead reliable for most owners.
No transmission noise ,no wind noise and in general pretty uneventful.
If I had transmission issues like this guy I would feel miserable not just because I have the issue but because I'm the only one without any company to vent my frustrations.
I remember when I had the BMW I didn't have to vent because there were several documented fixes on the issues I was having.
I'm afraid if you are in the minority that has a lemon you will be a pioneer trying to fix issues that nobody has seen before which is probably not a good thing if you are trying to solve your specific problem in a car that is dead reliable for most owners.
Edit: The issues I've had with the car after 11 months from 61.6K miles to 71K miles are:
Problem: Some buttons surrounding the nav screen weren't backlit. It was probably that way when I bought the car. Solution: Replaced the nav system and disk drive. Cost: Covered by CPO. $0.
Problem: Cosmetic. Due to wear and some bubbling, I had the front center console leather cover replaced. The price quoted by the dealer for the part was much higher than an OEM price I found online. Solution: The service manager made his price competitive with the online price and had the repair performed. Cost: About $300, IIRC.
Problem: MIL "ON" DTC P1364/P1365 - Camshaft Position Actuator Circuit Open. Also low idle RPM. Solution: Applied TSB: L-SB-0142-11: http://www.revbase.com/BBBMotor/TSb/...dPdf?id=172396 Cost: Covered by 96 month/80K miles emission warranty. $0.
Problem: ABS and other warning lights on. Error code indicated abnormal leak in ABS accumulator. Solution: Replaced part. Cost: Covered by CPO. $0.
Problem: The selling dealer hadn't performed the 60K service, even though the vehicle had 61.6K miles when sold. This service includes replacing the spark plugs. Solution: Worked with Lexus Customer Service Rep, who authorized a good will 60K service to replace the spark plugs and perform other 60K service items not done during prior minor services. Cost: $0.
Problem: Last night: The car wouldn't start after a couple of tries with the start button. I couldn't find anything I left on that could have caused the battery to drain. After a few hours of letting the car sit, it started. The nav screen came up with a "system loading: do not turn power off" message. Some of the multifunction displays, such as distance after fueling and mpg after re-fueling were reset to zero. Brought car to Lexus this morning. Bad cell in battery was diagnosed. Solution: replaced non-factory branded battery (Centennial?) with Lexus high capacity battery, like the one used in the cold weather package. Cost $220 before tax. Note: Lexus battery has 7 year warranty. First two years cover parts and labor 100%. The third year and beyond covers just parts and is pro-rated.
Problem: While the battery was replaced, it was discovered that the front shock absorbers are leaking oil. It's not critical, but needs addressing. Solution: Replace shock absorbers when parts come in. Cost: Covered by CPO. $0.
Do some of the above problems make the car unreliable? I don't know. What I do know is that I get a genuine thrill out of driving the car, using its features, and just looking at it. There has been some downtime, including damage from a recent accident, but except for the accident and what turned out to be a complicated nav unit replacement, I've had the car back the same day. The dealer's courtesy cars have been 2015 or 2016 Lexus models, although no GS's or LS460's. it's possible that I'll sell the car when the CPO warranty expires, but we'll see.
I'm overall very satisfied with the service department at my local dealer, Lexus of Marin. They haven't tried to upsell me on anything. (I was the one who insisted on paying $20 extra for the higher capacity battery, for example.) Some will probably think my car has had an excessive number of repairs. I'm not certain of that. After all, the car now has 70K miles. Stuff happens.
Last edited by Gbp; 04-08-16 at 08:56 PM.
#38
I didn't mean it that way to say boring is a bad thing. For a car like this boring ownership removes you from making your life revolve around the drama of your car. In my opinion that is real luxury.
#39
Driver School Candidate
Thread Starter
Thanks, Most likely, we are heading for filing a complaint under the FL Lemon Law. Having a previous Lexus was was super quiet we clearly understand this vehicle is just not right.
#40
Lexus Fanatic
BTW, Lemon law in FL doesn't apply because its a used car.
Buying a car "as is" disclaims all warranties. You should not expect any legal protection if the car is a "lemon." In Florida, there is no Used Car Lemon Law. If the dealer does not affirmatively disclaim all warranties in writing, you will be covered at least by implied warranties of merchantability (the product will do what it is supposed to do), fitness for a particular purpose (dealer's advice that the car will be suitable for a particular use, such as hauling a trailer), and a good title. If the dealer provides its own written warranty, read the terms carefully to determine what repairs are covered, the extent of coverage (parts, labor, deductibles, exclusions) and the other terms and conditions. The dealer may try to sell you an extended service contract. You should consider the extent to which the same repairs are already covered under the dealer's warranty. The value of a service contract is determined by whether its price is likely to be greater or less than the cost of repairs to the car.
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