Lack of 2017 LS Spy Shots
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I have a 2007 LS 460 which has been a great car (except for hesitation on acceleration a few years ago at about 50,000 miles which was eventually solved by the dealer).
I did not trade it in for the refreshed LS 460 a few years ago for two reasons:
- I thought Lexus took a beautiful, well conceived design and messed it up with a grill and tail that jarred with the original cohesive design
- the bizarre decision to change the convenient touch screen for the old fashioned and inconvenient mouse.
However, Lexus, we are now going on 10 years and its time to get a new car. Overdue in fact.
With a great new line-up from Mercedes, Audi and BMW, how much longer must I wait for a new LS? The 2017 E-class, which looks like a 7/8 S-class, looks very enticing…….
I did not trade it in for the refreshed LS 460 a few years ago for two reasons:
- I thought Lexus took a beautiful, well conceived design and messed it up with a grill and tail that jarred with the original cohesive design
- the bizarre decision to change the convenient touch screen for the old fashioned and inconvenient mouse.
However, Lexus, we are now going on 10 years and its time to get a new car. Overdue in fact.
With a great new line-up from Mercedes, Audi and BMW, how much longer must I wait for a new LS? The 2017 E-class, which looks like a 7/8 S-class, looks very enticing…….
I disagree with the 2nd point. Those touchscreens pick up fingerprints like crazy. And until they go with capacitive models, as opposed to resistive models, there would still be that horrible contrast ratio with the displays. But they went around the whole thing and put in the mouse. And I like it. I think the haptic feedback portion is genius. It keeps fingers off screens and still lets you navigate the menus with certainty. The button portion; I think they could've gone with different functions (or made them user-assignable). But until they develop hyper-accurate eye-tracking, I think it works. And it's definitely much better than the trackpad that they're putting in the upscaled RAV4.
As for when the 5th-Gen is going to arrive, I think that a lot of these companies are trying to figure out where the economy is headed. And I think there's a lot of uncertainty.
#62
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Tastes are subjective. Personally I think the 13+ car is the best looking 460 (no surprise) and the 07-09 car I find much more fluid than the 10-12 which is my least favorite iteration of the 460.
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One thing that I'm noticing is that these cars are somewhat sensitive to how they're photographed.
I'm into this. Matter of fact, I think I actually do prefer these tail lights the most.
Clean lines. Slipstream.
Back alley brawler.
When did Kirby stop designing vacuums?
Hello, late-80's concept art.
Just no.
Very sensitive to the lens...
By far, the cars that I've owned the most are the Z32 Nissan 300ZXs. Loved them since before I could drive. Loooove them. Have never cared for the back end. It's like Nissan ran out of money or patience or saki. "Why did all of the coolness stop there?," I continue to ask myself. Oh well.
#64
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There's another wild-speculating article that indicates the test mule had a turbo based on the engine sound.
Kind of a subjective guess, but based on known engines in the family, what could it be if true? I thought the only forced-induction engine in production is the 4 cylinder turbo?
Doubt they'll put that engine in this car, more likely a V6 turbo. Can't even see a V8 turbo as the 5 liter is a great engine in the HP department, unless they do a V8 turbo mainly for fuel economy. It has to be all new, assuming that wild guess is even true.
I don't really feel comfortable with turbos, at least not in regards to driving it 150k miles without worrying, unlike most Toyota engines. Guess we'll see.
Kind of a subjective guess, but based on known engines in the family, what could it be if true? I thought the only forced-induction engine in production is the 4 cylinder turbo?
Doubt they'll put that engine in this car, more likely a V6 turbo. Can't even see a V8 turbo as the 5 liter is a great engine in the HP department, unless they do a V8 turbo mainly for fuel economy. It has to be all new, assuming that wild guess is even true.
I don't really feel comfortable with turbos, at least not in regards to driving it 150k miles without worrying, unlike most Toyota engines. Guess we'll see.
#65
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In my experience all Lexus cars are better looking in person than in pictures. IMHO my LS doesn't have a bad angle in person, which is not something I can say for every Lexus vehicle I've owned.
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If you look at the image of the 430, it was made with a very flat perspective. If a picture was taken with the same perspective, a telephoto lens would have to have been used. It clearly doesn't do the car any favors. And we also know that the car doesn't look that way in person.
One thing that helps the photographers and cinematographers determine these things is actually being used in the print ads and commercials themselves. I haven't seen it in any national spots. But if you look at your local spots, where they give you the 'attractive lease offers', the silver pick-whichever-model Lexus, spinning in the background, is computer generated.
#67
I think most vehicles look better in pictures and brochures plus size and space can be deceptive.
#68
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I can think of plenty of cars that look great in pictures and in person, and cars that tend to look better in pictures than in person (Mercedes cars are that way IMHO, love the pictures underwhelmed in person)
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There's another wild-speculating article that indicates the test mule had a turbo based on the engine sound.
Kind of a subjective guess, but based on known engines in the family, what could it be if true? I thought the only forced-induction engine in production is the 4 cylinder turbo?
Doubt they'll put that engine in this car, more likely a V6 turbo. Can't even see a V8 turbo as the 5 liter is a great engine in the HP department, unless they do a V8 turbo mainly for fuel economy. It has to be all new, assuming that wild guess is even true.
I don't really feel comfortable with turbos, at least not in regards to driving it 150k miles without worrying, unlike most Toyota engines. Guess we'll see.
Kind of a subjective guess, but based on known engines in the family, what could it be if true? I thought the only forced-induction engine in production is the 4 cylinder turbo?
Doubt they'll put that engine in this car, more likely a V6 turbo. Can't even see a V8 turbo as the 5 liter is a great engine in the HP department, unless they do a V8 turbo mainly for fuel economy. It has to be all new, assuming that wild guess is even true.
I don't really feel comfortable with turbos, at least not in regards to driving it 150k miles without worrying, unlike most Toyota engines. Guess we'll see.
LS400 Boosted 6
LS500 Either NA V8 from the RCF or Boosted V8
Who knows
#70
I'm still waiting for the new LS....
Sold my 2007 and so far I'm having tons of fun with this 392 V8 (6.4L) 6 speed manual.
When the new LS pops out of the oven I'll be in line to check it out
Sold my 2007 and so far I'm having tons of fun with this 392 V8 (6.4L) 6 speed manual.
When the new LS pops out of the oven I'll be in line to check it out
#71
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Yeah, a V6 turbo could definitely be an option and sounds reasonable. BMW offers a blown I-6 in their 7 series. Actually, a Toyota blown I-6 would be even better! I'm sure they can dig one up from their historic engine warehouse, modernize and wala! Considering they had a BMW 7 series in tow during the test mule photo shoot could be telling in that regards (or not).
I'm not sure if they would build a new V8 turbo considering the 5 liter is so pronounced within the family right now and produces more HP than the MB S550 and BMW 750i without turbos! Pretty amazing engine from what I've researched. It doesn't have that "turbo" cachet, but who cares. I know the 4.6 liter in our car was shared with other models in the lineup, albeit those were rare (GS 460).
MB S550: 449 HP (4.7 liter bi-turbo manufacturer claimed 0-60 @ 4.7s)
BMW 750i: 445 HP (4.4 liter bi-turbo manufacturer claimed 0-60 @ 4.3s )
Lexus LS500: 467 HP (5.0 liter NA 0-60 @ ??? I'll guess 4.4-4.7s) assuming they tune it the same for the LS
Pretty amazing engine and something I covet lol. I can definitely seeing myself upgrading in December 2018 just for the engine alone. I would prefer to wait until 2019/2020 for a third model year cycle, but who knows.
I'm not sure if they would build a new V8 turbo considering the 5 liter is so pronounced within the family right now and produces more HP than the MB S550 and BMW 750i without turbos! Pretty amazing engine from what I've researched. It doesn't have that "turbo" cachet, but who cares. I know the 4.6 liter in our car was shared with other models in the lineup, albeit those were rare (GS 460).
MB S550: 449 HP (4.7 liter bi-turbo manufacturer claimed 0-60 @ 4.7s)
BMW 750i: 445 HP (4.4 liter bi-turbo manufacturer claimed 0-60 @ 4.3s )
Lexus LS500: 467 HP (5.0 liter NA 0-60 @ ??? I'll guess 4.4-4.7s) assuming they tune it the same for the LS
Pretty amazing engine and something I covet lol. I can definitely seeing myself upgrading in December 2018 just for the engine alone. I would prefer to wait until 2019/2020 for a third model year cycle, but who knows.
#72
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Since HKS already has a proven supercharger kit for the LS460, it'd be nice if they hooked up with Lexus in a partnership. I'm not a fan of turbos......too many oil issues and reliability concerns.
#73
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Originally Posted by Rhambler
Yeah, a V6 turbo could definitely be an option and sounds reasonable. BMW offers a blown I-6 in their 7 series. Actually, a Toyota blown I-6 would be even better! I'm sure they can dig one up from their historic engine warehouse, modernize and wala! Considering they had a BMW 7 series in tow during the test mule photo shoot could be telling in that regards (or not).
I'm not sure if they would build a new V8 turbo considering the 5 liter is so pronounced within the family right now and produces more HP than the MB S550 and BMW 750i without turbos! Pretty amazing engine from what I've researched. It doesn't have that "turbo" cachet, but who cares. I know the 4.6 liter in our car was shared with other models in the lineup, albeit those were rare (GS 460).
MB S550: 449 HP (4.7 liter bi-turbo manufacturer claimed 0-60 @ 4.7s)
BMW 750i: 445 HP (4.4 liter bi-turbo manufacturer claimed 0-60 @ 4.3s )
Lexus LS500: 467 HP (5.0 liter NA 0-60 @ ??? I'll guess 4.4-4.7s) assuming they tune it the same for the LS
Pretty amazing engine and something I covet lol. I can definitely seeing myself upgrading in December 2018 just for the engine alone. I would prefer to wait until 2019/2020 for a third model year cycle, but who knows.
I'm not sure if they would build a new V8 turbo considering the 5 liter is so pronounced within the family right now and produces more HP than the MB S550 and BMW 750i without turbos! Pretty amazing engine from what I've researched. It doesn't have that "turbo" cachet, but who cares. I know the 4.6 liter in our car was shared with other models in the lineup, albeit those were rare (GS 460).
MB S550: 449 HP (4.7 liter bi-turbo manufacturer claimed 0-60 @ 4.7s)
BMW 750i: 445 HP (4.4 liter bi-turbo manufacturer claimed 0-60 @ 4.3s )
Lexus LS500: 467 HP (5.0 liter NA 0-60 @ ??? I'll guess 4.4-4.7s) assuming they tune it the same for the LS
Pretty amazing engine and something I covet lol. I can definitely seeing myself upgrading in December 2018 just for the engine alone. I would prefer to wait until 2019/2020 for a third model year cycle, but who knows.
#74
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Yeah, a V6 turbo could definitely be an option and sounds reasonable. BMW offers a blown I-6 in their 7 series. Actually, a Toyota blown I-6 would be even better! I'm sure they can dig one up from their historic engine warehouse, modernize and wala! Considering they had a BMW 7 series in tow during the test mule photo shoot could be telling in that regards (or not).
I'm not sure if they would build a new V8 turbo considering the 5 liter is so pronounced within the family right now and produces more HP than the MB S550 and BMW 750i without turbos! Pretty amazing engine from what I've researched. It doesn't have that "turbo" cachet, but who cares. I know the 4.6 liter in our car was shared with other models in the lineup, albeit those were rare (GS 460).
MB S550: 449 HP (4.7 liter bi-turbo manufacturer claimed 0-60 @ 4.7s)
BMW 750i: 445 HP (4.4 liter bi-turbo manufacturer claimed 0-60 @ 4.3s )
Lexus LS500: 467 HP (5.0 liter NA 0-60 @ ??? I'll guess 4.4-4.7s) assuming they tune it the same for the LS
Pretty amazing engine and something I covet lol. I can definitely seeing myself upgrading in December 2018 just for the engine alone. I would prefer to wait until 2019/2020 for a third model year cycle, but who knows.
I'm not sure if they would build a new V8 turbo considering the 5 liter is so pronounced within the family right now and produces more HP than the MB S550 and BMW 750i without turbos! Pretty amazing engine from what I've researched. It doesn't have that "turbo" cachet, but who cares. I know the 4.6 liter in our car was shared with other models in the lineup, albeit those were rare (GS 460).
MB S550: 449 HP (4.7 liter bi-turbo manufacturer claimed 0-60 @ 4.7s)
BMW 750i: 445 HP (4.4 liter bi-turbo manufacturer claimed 0-60 @ 4.3s )
Lexus LS500: 467 HP (5.0 liter NA 0-60 @ ??? I'll guess 4.4-4.7s) assuming they tune it the same for the LS
Pretty amazing engine and something I covet lol. I can definitely seeing myself upgrading in December 2018 just for the engine alone. I would prefer to wait until 2019/2020 for a third model year cycle, but who knows.
#75
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I think 4.4-4.7 is reasonable. At least in the scope of manufacturer-claimed times. Claimed times on the current model is 5.4s with a 386 HP engine.
The RCF is heavy. The LS, base model at least, might only be a 200-300 lbs heavier, which isn't enough to slow it down that much. Look how heavy the S550 and 750i are. Relatively the same with less HP at the listed claimed times.
No idea why the RCF isn't quicker. That is one knock, imo, on that car is the weight. Audi's S7 has less HP, not sure about the M5, but there are a lot of ponies under that hood. Amazing engine imo. Especially considering the naturally-aspirated nature of the HP output. In fact it's on par HP/L of comparable turbo engines, which is pretty amazing.
The RCF is heavy. The LS, base model at least, might only be a 200-300 lbs heavier, which isn't enough to slow it down that much. Look how heavy the S550 and 750i are. Relatively the same with less HP at the listed claimed times.
No idea why the RCF isn't quicker. That is one knock, imo, on that car is the weight. Audi's S7 has less HP, not sure about the M5, but there are a lot of ponies under that hood. Amazing engine imo. Especially considering the naturally-aspirated nature of the HP output. In fact it's on par HP/L of comparable turbo engines, which is pretty amazing.