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#46
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LS Year/Model: 2007 LS 460 L
Wheel Brand: XO Luxury Wheels
Wheel Model: Paris
Wheel Size Front: 22 x 9
Wheel Size Rear: 22 x 10.5
Wheel Finish: Machine
Lip size front (if applicable): N/A
Lip size rear (if applicable): N/A
Lip finish (if applicable): Stainless Steel
Offset Front: 32
Offset Rear: 38
Hub Bore size (if known): Not Sure
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: Y
Tire Size Front: 255/30/22
Tire Size Rear: 305/25/22
Tire Make/Model: Delinte D7 Thunder
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 39
Suspension: Stock Air Suspension with Data Systems Controller
Fenders Rolled/Altered: No
Does the setup rub?: Only on Level 4 on Dips
Wheel Brand: XO Luxury Wheels
Wheel Model: Paris
Wheel Size Front: 22 x 9
Wheel Size Rear: 22 x 10.5
Wheel Finish: Machine
Lip size front (if applicable): N/A
Lip size rear (if applicable): N/A
Lip finish (if applicable): Stainless Steel
Offset Front: 32
Offset Rear: 38
Hub Bore size (if known): Not Sure
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: Y
Tire Size Front: 255/30/22
Tire Size Rear: 305/25/22
Tire Make/Model: Delinte D7 Thunder
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 39
Suspension: Stock Air Suspension with Data Systems Controller
Fenders Rolled/Altered: No
Does the setup rub?: Only on Level 4 on Dips
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LS Year/Model:2011/Ls460L
Wheel Brand:ACForge
Wheel Model:
Wheel Size Front: 22x9
Wheel Size Rear: 22x10.5
Wheel Finish: Silver
Lip size front (if applicable): 3inch Front
Lip size rear (if applicable): 4inch Rear
Lip finish (if applicable): Chrome
Offset Front:
Offset Rear:
Hub Bore size (if known):
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: N
Tire Size Front: 255/30/R22
Tire Size Rear: 295/25/R22
Tire Make/Model:
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 43PSI
Suspension: Stock Air ride
Fenders Rolled/Altered:
Does the setup rub?:
Pics Below:
Wheel Brand:ACForge
Wheel Model:
Wheel Size Front: 22x9
Wheel Size Rear: 22x10.5
Wheel Finish: Silver
Lip size front (if applicable): 3inch Front
Lip size rear (if applicable): 4inch Rear
Lip finish (if applicable): Chrome
Offset Front:
Offset Rear:
Hub Bore size (if known):
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: N
Tire Size Front: 255/30/R22
Tire Size Rear: 295/25/R22
Tire Make/Model:
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 43PSI
Suspension: Stock Air ride
Fenders Rolled/Altered:
Does the setup rub?:
Pics Below:
Last edited by Bhuynh85; 07-29-13 at 05:20 PM.
#48
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LS Year/Model:*2008 LS600hL (Hybrid AWD)
Wheel Brand: Vossen Wheels
Wheel Model:*CV4
Wheel Size Front: 22x9
Wheel Size Rear: 22x10.5
Wheel Finish: Matte Graphite/Machine Face
Lip size front (if applicable):*NA
Lip size rear (if applicable): NA
Lip finish (if applicable): NA
Offset Front: 30mm
Offset Rear: 38mm
Hub Bore size (if known): 72.65
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: Yes
Tire Size Front:*255/30/22
Overall Tire Diameter Front: 28.02"
Tire Size Rear: 305/25/22..yes 305
Overall Tire Diameter Rear: 28.00"
Tire Make/Model: Delinte Thunder D7
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 40 all around
Suspension: Factory Air Suspension with Data Systems Controller
Fenders Rolled/Altered: No
Does the setup rub?: Not while driving up to level 4. Will rub in rear if driving very low past level 5 or lower and on super low mode the rear outside sidewall will touch black plastic fender trim piece in rear.
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Wheel Brand: Vossen Wheels
Wheel Model:*CV4
Wheel Size Front: 22x9
Wheel Size Rear: 22x10.5
Wheel Finish: Matte Graphite/Machine Face
Lip size front (if applicable):*NA
Lip size rear (if applicable): NA
Lip finish (if applicable): NA
Offset Front: 30mm
Offset Rear: 38mm
Hub Bore size (if known): 72.65
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: Yes
Tire Size Front:*255/30/22
Overall Tire Diameter Front: 28.02"
Tire Size Rear: 305/25/22..yes 305
Overall Tire Diameter Rear: 28.00"
Tire Make/Model: Delinte Thunder D7
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 40 all around
Suspension: Factory Air Suspension with Data Systems Controller
Fenders Rolled/Altered: No
Does the setup rub?: Not while driving up to level 4. Will rub in rear if driving very low past level 5 or lower and on super low mode the rear outside sidewall will touch black plastic fender trim piece in rear.
Pics Below:
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#49
LS Year/Model:*2009 LS600hL (Hybrid AWD)
Wheel Brand: Vossen Wheels
Wheel Model:*CV1
Wheel Size Front: 22x9
Wheel Size Rear: 22x9
Wheel Finish: Silver Machine Face
Lip size front (if applicable):*NA
Lip size rear (if applicable): NA
Lip finish (if applicable): NA
Offset Front: 30mm
Offset Rear: 30mm
Hub Bore size (if known): 72.65
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: Yes
Tire Size Front:*255/30/22
Overall Tire Diameter Front: UNK
Tire Size Rear: 255/30/22..
Overall Tire Diameter Rear: UNK
Tire Make/Model: Hankook Ventus 4
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 40 all around
Suspension: Factory Air Suspension with Data Systems Controller
Fenders Rolled/Altered: No
Does the setup rub?: I been driving on level 4 and have had no rubbage and have ran across quite a few road bumps.. I am not going to risk rubbing by going lower. The tires are quiet right now but I can definitely tell the difference from the silence of stock wheels and Michelin tires.
Wheel Brand: Vossen Wheels
Wheel Model:*CV1
Wheel Size Front: 22x9
Wheel Size Rear: 22x9
Wheel Finish: Silver Machine Face
Lip size front (if applicable):*NA
Lip size rear (if applicable): NA
Lip finish (if applicable): NA
Offset Front: 30mm
Offset Rear: 30mm
Hub Bore size (if known): 72.65
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: Yes
Tire Size Front:*255/30/22
Overall Tire Diameter Front: UNK
Tire Size Rear: 255/30/22..
Overall Tire Diameter Rear: UNK
Tire Make/Model: Hankook Ventus 4
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 40 all around
Suspension: Factory Air Suspension with Data Systems Controller
Fenders Rolled/Altered: No
Does the setup rub?: I been driving on level 4 and have had no rubbage and have ran across quite a few road bumps.. I am not going to risk rubbing by going lower. The tires are quiet right now but I can definitely tell the difference from the silence of stock wheels and Michelin tires.
Last edited by farming; 09-03-13 at 12:00 PM. Reason: Had some errors.
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LS Year/Model:*2008 LS460L
Wheel Brand:Niche
Wheel Model:*Ritz 3 piece
Wheel Size Front:22x10
Wheel Size Rear:22x11.5
Wheel Finish: brushed center/chrome lip
Lip size front:big
*Lip size rear:bigger
Lip finish: CHROME
Offset Front:20mm
Offset Rear:29mm
Hub Bore size: hub centric
Hub Centric Rings Required? No
Tire Size Front:245/30-22
*Tire Size Rear:*295/25-22
Tire Make/Model:Falken 453
Tire Air Pressure Preference:max
Suspension: Data System
Fenders Rolled/Altered: lip shaved
Does the setup rub?: at ride height, no. Fully lowered,yes
Wheel Brand:Niche
Wheel Model:*Ritz 3 piece
Wheel Size Front:22x10
Wheel Size Rear:22x11.5
Wheel Finish: brushed center/chrome lip
Lip size front:big
*Lip size rear:bigger
Lip finish: CHROME
Offset Front:20mm
Offset Rear:29mm
Hub Bore size: hub centric
Hub Centric Rings Required? No
Tire Size Front:245/30-22
*Tire Size Rear:*295/25-22
Tire Make/Model:Falken 453
Tire Air Pressure Preference:max
Suspension: Data System
Fenders Rolled/Altered: lip shaved
Does the setup rub?: at ride height, no. Fully lowered,yes
Last edited by Tee; 09-22-13 at 01:59 PM. Reason: direct format
#51
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LS Year/Model: 2008 LS460
Wheel Brand: TSW
Wheel Model: Strip
Wheel Size Front: 20x8.5
Wheel Size Rear: 20x10
Wheel Finish: Gloss black w/polished lip
Lip size front (if applicable): 1"
Lip size rear (if applicable): 4"
Lip finish (if applicable): Polished aluminum
Offset Front: +20
Offset Rear: +25
Hub Bore size (if known): 72.5
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: Yes
Tire Size Front: 245 40 20
Tire Size Rear: 275 35 20
Tire Make/Model: Falken FK452
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 38psi
Suspension: Stock non-air
Fenders Rolled/Altered: Nope
Does the setup rub?: No, not even close
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Wheel Brand: TSW
Wheel Model: Strip
Wheel Size Front: 20x8.5
Wheel Size Rear: 20x10
Wheel Finish: Gloss black w/polished lip
Lip size front (if applicable): 1"
Lip size rear (if applicable): 4"
Lip finish (if applicable): Polished aluminum
Offset Front: +20
Offset Rear: +25
Hub Bore size (if known): 72.5
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: Yes
Tire Size Front: 245 40 20
Tire Size Rear: 275 35 20
Tire Make/Model: Falken FK452
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 38psi
Suspension: Stock non-air
Fenders Rolled/Altered: Nope
Does the setup rub?: No, not even close
Pics Below:
Last edited by roadfrog; 01-15-14 at 04:06 PM.
#52
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LS Year/Model: 2008 LS460
Wheel Brand: TSW
Wheel Model: Strip
Wheel Size Front: 20x8.5
Wheel Size Rear: 20x10
Wheel Finish: Gloss black w/polished lip
Lip size front (if applicable): 1"
Lip size rear (if applicable): 4"
Lip finish (if applicable): Polished aluminum
Offset Front: +20
Offset Rear: +25
Hub Bore size (if known): 72.5
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: Yes
Tire Size Front: 245 40 20
Tire Size Rear: 275 35 20
Tire Make/Model: Falken FK452
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 38psi
Suspension: Stock non-air
Fenders Rolled/Altered: Nope
Does the setup rub?: No, not even close
Pics Below:
LS Year/Model: 2008 LS460
Wheel Brand: TSW
Wheel Model: Strip
Wheel Size Front: 20x8.5
Wheel Size Rear: 20x10
Wheel Finish: Gloss black w/polished lip
Lip size front (if applicable): 1"
Lip size rear (if applicable): 4"
Lip finish (if applicable): Polished aluminum
Offset Front: +20
Offset Rear: +25
Hub Bore size (if known): 72.5
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: Yes
Tire Size Front: 245 40 20
Tire Size Rear: 275 35 20
Tire Make/Model: Falken FK452
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 38psi
Suspension: Stock non-air
Fenders Rolled/Altered: Nope
Does the setup rub?: No, not even close
Pics Below:
Last edited by roadfrog; 01-15-14 at 04:07 PM.
#53
LS Year/Model: 2007 SWB
Wheel Brand: Vossen
Wheel Model: VVS082
Wheel Size Front: 22x9
Wheel Size Rear: 22x10.5
Wheel Finish: Silver machined/Stainless lip
Lip size front (if applicable):
Lip size rear (if applicable):
Lip finish Stainless
Offset Front: 15mm
Offset Rear: 20mm
Hub Bore size (if known): None
Hub Centric Rings Required? N
Tire Size Front: 245/35/22
Tire Size Rear: 285/30/22
Tire Make/Model: Kumho Ecsta ASX
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 40 psi
Suspension: Tanabe NF210
Fenders Rolled/Altered: Altered
Does the setup rub?: Nope
Post #50 is also the same car, this is a picture after the springs settled a little bit
Wheel Brand: Vossen
Wheel Model: VVS082
Wheel Size Front: 22x9
Wheel Size Rear: 22x10.5
Wheel Finish: Silver machined/Stainless lip
Lip size front (if applicable):
Lip size rear (if applicable):
Lip finish Stainless
Offset Front: 15mm
Offset Rear: 20mm
Hub Bore size (if known): None
Hub Centric Rings Required? N
Tire Size Front: 245/35/22
Tire Size Rear: 285/30/22
Tire Make/Model: Kumho Ecsta ASX
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 40 psi
Suspension: Tanabe NF210
Fenders Rolled/Altered: Altered
Does the setup rub?: Nope
Post #50 is also the same car, this is a picture after the springs settled a little bit
Last edited by Topshottaz; 02-10-14 at 09:41 PM.
#54
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LS Year/Model: 2009 SWB
Wheel Brand: DCR Forged
Wheel Model: Laguna Seca
Wheel Size Front: 22x9
Wheel Size Rear: 22x11
Wheel Finish: Silver
Lip size front (if applicable): 3 inch
Lip size rear (if applicable): 4 inch
Lip finish (if applicable): Chrome
Offset Front: Unknown
Offset Rear: Unknown
Hub Bore size (if known): 72.6
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: Yes
Tire Size Front: 245/30/22
Tire Size Rear: 265/30/22
Tire Make/Model: Yokohama Parada Spec X
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 40 PSI
Suspension: D2 Air Suspension with Ridetech Air Management
Fenders Rolled/Altered: Front Rolled / Rear Shaved and Pulled 1 inch
Does the setup rub?: No, because I drive with 2 finger gap
Wheel Brand: DCR Forged
Wheel Model: Laguna Seca
Wheel Size Front: 22x9
Wheel Size Rear: 22x11
Wheel Finish: Silver
Lip size front (if applicable): 3 inch
Lip size rear (if applicable): 4 inch
Lip finish (if applicable): Chrome
Offset Front: Unknown
Offset Rear: Unknown
Hub Bore size (if known): 72.6
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: Yes
Tire Size Front: 245/30/22
Tire Size Rear: 265/30/22
Tire Make/Model: Yokohama Parada Spec X
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 40 PSI
Suspension: D2 Air Suspension with Ridetech Air Management
Fenders Rolled/Altered: Front Rolled / Rear Shaved and Pulled 1 inch
Does the setup rub?: No, because I drive with 2 finger gap
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#55
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LS Year/Model: 2008 LS600hL
Wheel Brand: Vossen
Wheel Model: VVS 082
Wheel Size Front: 22x9
Wheel Size Rear: 22x10.5
Wheel Finish: Machined Black
Lip size front (if applicable): 1.5"
Lip size rear (if applicable): 3"
Lip finish (if applicable): Polished
Offset Front: 20
Offset Rear: 15
Hub Bore size (if known): 71.5mm
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: Yes 71.5 - 61.5mm
Tire Size Front: 255/30/22
Tire Size Rear: 305/25/22
Tire Make/Model: Delinte D7
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 35 all around
Suspension: DataSystem
Fenders Rolled/Altered: Yes
Does the setup rub?: YES on data system setting > 3 over bumps in the rear
Wheel Brand: Vossen
Wheel Model: VVS 082
Wheel Size Front: 22x9
Wheel Size Rear: 22x10.5
Wheel Finish: Machined Black
Lip size front (if applicable): 1.5"
Lip size rear (if applicable): 3"
Lip finish (if applicable): Polished
Offset Front: 20
Offset Rear: 15
Hub Bore size (if known): 71.5mm
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: Yes 71.5 - 61.5mm
Tire Size Front: 255/30/22
Tire Size Rear: 305/25/22
Tire Make/Model: Delinte D7
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 35 all around
Suspension: DataSystem
Fenders Rolled/Altered: Yes
Does the setup rub?: YES on data system setting > 3 over bumps in the rear
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LS Year/Model: 2008/LS460
Wheel Brand:Niche
Wheel Model: Touring M848
Wheel Size Front:20x8.5
Wheel Size Rear:20x10
Wheel Finish:Black/polished
Lip size front (if applicable): 1"
Lip size rear (if applicable):3"
Lip finish (if applicable):Stainless
Offset Front: +35
Offset Rear:+40
Hub Bore size (if known):
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N:Y
Tire Size Front: 245/40
Tire Size Rear: 275/35
Tire Make/Model: Hankook Ventis S1 noble
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 42 PSI
Suspension: Stock
Fenders Rolled/Altered: No
Does the setup rub?: No
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Wheel Brand:Niche
Wheel Model: Touring M848
Wheel Size Front:20x8.5
Wheel Size Rear:20x10
Wheel Finish:Black/polished
Lip size front (if applicable): 1"
Lip size rear (if applicable):3"
Lip finish (if applicable):Stainless
Offset Front: +35
Offset Rear:+40
Hub Bore size (if known):
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N:Y
Tire Size Front: 245/40
Tire Size Rear: 275/35
Tire Make/Model: Hankook Ventis S1 noble
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 42 PSI
Suspension: Stock
Fenders Rolled/Altered: No
Does the setup rub?: No
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LS Year/Model: 2007 LS460L
Wheel Brand: VIP Modular
Wheel Model: VX-110
Wheel Size Front:22x10.5
Wheel Size Rear:22x12
Wheel Finish: SPF
Lip size front (if applicable): 4.5"
Lip size rear (if applicable): 6"
Lip finish (if applicable): Polished
Offset Front: +0
Offset Rear: -6
Hub Bore size (if known): 60.1mm
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: N
Tire Size Front: 255/30
Tire Size Rear: 295/25
Tire Make/Model: Falken FK452
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 42 PSI
Suspension: Stock Air
Fenders Rolled/Altered: Yes
Does the setup rub?: Yes
Wheel Brand: VIP Modular
Wheel Model: VX-110
Wheel Size Front:22x10.5
Wheel Size Rear:22x12
Wheel Finish: SPF
Lip size front (if applicable): 4.5"
Lip size rear (if applicable): 6"
Lip finish (if applicable): Polished
Offset Front: +0
Offset Rear: -6
Hub Bore size (if known): 60.1mm
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: N
Tire Size Front: 255/30
Tire Size Rear: 295/25
Tire Make/Model: Falken FK452
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 42 PSI
Suspension: Stock Air
Fenders Rolled/Altered: Yes
Does the setup rub?: Yes
#58
LS Year/Model: 2008 600hL
Wheel Brand: XO Luxury Wheels
Wheel Model: Havana
Wheel Size Front: 22x9
Wheel Size Rear:22x10.5
Wheel Finish:Brushed
Lip size front (if applicable): N/A
Lip size rear (if applicable):N/A
Lip finish (if applicable):N/A
Offset Front: 32
Offset Rear: 38
Hub Bore size (if known):
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: Yes
Tire Size Front: 255/30/22
Tire Size Rear: 305/25/22
Tire Make/Model: Delinte D7
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 38-40
Suspension: Stock air (data controller system)
Fenders Rolled/Altered: No
Does the setup rub?:No
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Wheel Brand: XO Luxury Wheels
Wheel Model: Havana
Wheel Size Front: 22x9
Wheel Size Rear:22x10.5
Wheel Finish:Brushed
Lip size front (if applicable): N/A
Lip size rear (if applicable):N/A
Lip finish (if applicable):N/A
Offset Front: 32
Offset Rear: 38
Hub Bore size (if known):
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: Yes
Tire Size Front: 255/30/22
Tire Size Rear: 305/25/22
Tire Make/Model: Delinte D7
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 38-40
Suspension: Stock air (data controller system)
Fenders Rolled/Altered: No
Does the setup rub?:No
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#59
LS Year/Model: 2008 LS 460L
Wheel Brand: GFG
Wheel Model: F-2
Wheel Size Front: 22X9
Wheel Size Rear: 22x10.5
Wheel Finish: Matte aluminum
Lip size front (if applicable): N/A
Lip size rear (if applicable):N/A
Lip finish (if applicable): chrome
Offset Front: +35
Offset Rear: +35
Hub Bore size (if known):unk
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N:Y
Tire Size Front: 245/30/22
Tire Size Rear: 295/25/22
Tire Make/Model: Nexen N-3000
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 42 PSI
Suspension: Stock Air with Datasystem lowering module
Fenders Rolled/Altered: Rears shaved
Does the setup rub?: Complete drop Y, normal height, No
Wheel Brand: GFG
Wheel Model: F-2
Wheel Size Front: 22X9
Wheel Size Rear: 22x10.5
Wheel Finish: Matte aluminum
Lip size front (if applicable): N/A
Lip size rear (if applicable):N/A
Lip finish (if applicable): chrome
Offset Front: +35
Offset Rear: +35
Hub Bore size (if known):unk
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N:Y
Tire Size Front: 245/30/22
Tire Size Rear: 295/25/22
Tire Make/Model: Nexen N-3000
Tire Air Pressure Preference: 42 PSI
Suspension: Stock Air with Datasystem lowering module
Fenders Rolled/Altered: Rears shaved
Does the setup rub?: Complete drop Y, normal height, No
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LS Year/Model: 2007 LS460L
Wheel Brand: Niche
Wheel Model: Touring
Wheel Size Front:22x9
Wheel Size Rear:22x10.5
Wheel Finish: Machine face black windows
Lip size front (if applicable): 2
Lip size rear (if applicable):4
Lip finish (if applicable): chrome
Offset Front:38
Offset Rear:42
Hub Bore size (if known): 74.1
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: y
Tire Size Front: 245/30/22
Tire Size Rear: 285/25/22
Tire Make/Model:deliente thunder d7
Tire Air Pressure Preference:35
Suspension: bc racing coilovers
Fenders Rolled/Altered:not rolled
Does the setup rub?: front rubs on turns if you hit a bump while turning, otherwise smooth sailing. Have 20mm spacer for the front, putting on when front fenders get rolled.
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Wheel Brand: Niche
Wheel Model: Touring
Wheel Size Front:22x9
Wheel Size Rear:22x10.5
Wheel Finish: Machine face black windows
Lip size front (if applicable): 2
Lip size rear (if applicable):4
Lip finish (if applicable): chrome
Offset Front:38
Offset Rear:42
Hub Bore size (if known): 74.1
Hub Centric Rings Required? Y/N: y
Tire Size Front: 245/30/22
Tire Size Rear: 285/25/22
Tire Make/Model:deliente thunder d7
Tire Air Pressure Preference:35
Suspension: bc racing coilovers
Fenders Rolled/Altered:not rolled
Does the setup rub?: front rubs on turns if you hit a bump while turning, otherwise smooth sailing. Have 20mm spacer for the front, putting on when front fenders get rolled.
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