encore888

Yeah it is a very complex issue, although the options are seemingly simple...either continue the lockout, remove it, add a sensor, etc.

I had a thought the other day...considering how Lexus now has the Driver Monitoring System which detects obstacles ahead and warns if you are not paying attention, how about tying that with the NAVI system? It freezes up (locks out) when danger is detected.

Hehe and the future Lexus in the Minority Report website lets you use its NAVI/UI freely while the car drives for you.

So far I think many customers, particularly here, are buying Lexus vehicles in spite of the NAVI lockout, which is to say they like the overall package Lexus offers. And the NAVI has many good points to it.

dlovato

Agreed. Although the Nav system lockout is really the only thing I *hate* about the car, there are a lot of good things with it. The implementation of the nav system is really good - perhaps that's why it's so annoying they limit the way you can use it.

If the nav system completely sucked, nobody would care that you can't use it. The fact that it's good makes it "worse" that you can't use it when you want to. :-)

I bought the car regardless of the lockout (I knew it was there - it wasn't a surprise after the fact for me).

The survey that's being done here has a lot of limitations...

* It's mostly a survey of people who have a lexus - I doubt many non-lexus users get on these forums - so it's possible the users who would check the last item (didn't buy a lexus because of it) are under-represented.
* Small sample size
* Because it's online, the sample of respondents are probably more "geeky" than the entire lexus car user base - so they are likely to be more annoyed by a technology issue like this
* Respondents possibly influenced by messages about the nav system in other threads
* Etc.

Regardless - so far only one person out of 43 say they are glad the lock-out feature is there. The lockout annoys 83% of the people who responded so far. That's a BIG percentage. Even with a 20% margin of error, that's at least over half the people that find it "annoying or worse". It's a real issue no matter how I look at the results.

The liability issue/argument holds a lot less weight because Honda doensn't do it, and haven't been put out of business because of lawsuits regarding not locking users out while moving...

- Darryl

Nospinzone

The survey that's being done here has a lot of limitations...

Yes, you're right. I didn't answer the poll because it lacked my answer -

I'm glad it's there, it keeps idiots from crashing into me!

mmorozov

>I'm glad it's there, it keeps idiots from crashing into me!

I bet you are really suffering from all those Acura/Honda idiots who don't have a motion lock. Looks like they crash into you all the time. Now it's just a matter of buying LS460 for all of them and you'll be safe!

Nospinzone

Now it's just a matter of buying LS460 for all of them and you'll be safe!

That would be a good start, but we'd also have to deal with cell phone use, text messaging, reading the newspaper, and applying make up (even for men, not that there's anything wrong with that!)

Years ago I was concerned with the drunk driver, but we've done such a good job getting the message through to them, or jailing them, that they aren't nearly the threat they used to be.

My feeling is if you're not driving while you're driving, well then you shouldn't be driving.

acecert

Got a quote from Longo Lexus today for the 7.1 upgrade:

$104.00 (Labor)

$355.00 (7.1 disc)

zzzzdoc

Darryl:

What version of the NAV software do you have on your LS600hL? Mine was supposedly upgraded when I bought it at my request, but I still get the nag screen.

rominl

iTrader: (4)

hehe, 7.1 doc, 7.1. i guess the dealership didn't really give you the "right" treatment did they? were you able to resolve all issues with them?

dlovato

I have 7.1

I do get a small screen for bluetooth when it connects on "startup", but it goes away by itself - but I definately dont get the disclaimer page with "OK" button that has to be hit every time you start the car like my wifes RX400h.

- Darryl

Craig B

Yeah, 7.1 is what you want. You must have 7.0...

Craig

misterk

is that all that the 7.1 change gives you? just the removal of the "i agree" screen? 450.00 seems steep if its just for one more button to push...

rominl

iTrader: (4)

i think almost some updates on POI

Duonguyen

* It's mostly a survey of people who have a lexus - I doubt many non-lexus users get on these forums - so it's possible the users who would check the last item (didn't buy a lexus because of it) are under-represented"
I checked the last item,for my next new car may not be a Lexus if the NAVI lock out still there.If I pay good money for it,I should be able to use it as I please.

Johnny

Valid point. When I bought my Acuras, Lexus, and just about any "significant" equipment I've purchased, I sought out Forums that engaged in the topic, usually ones that have a reasonable cross-section of Users. I never considered, nor read any prior to their respective acquisitions. Do I go back and read Acurazine? Only sporadically for car care topics. One benefit here however is the other interest areas.

FntcToy

I have a question, gang... I have been lurking here with the thought of upgrading my 2003 GS300 to a new LS. What I've read on this one issue alone is enough to really discourage me.

In addition, I currently drive a 2006 Range Rover Sport with Navigation. The RRS nav system has a programmable hack. In other words, press and hold the screen in a non-descript location, enter a secret code, etc...

The hack was designed to unlock the whole system for use by service techs when the truck is in for service. It's now out in the mainstream for those who want it and are willing to do a little searching for it.

Now, wouldn't it make sense that Lexus has designed the same into their system? What would it take for someone to lean on their local friendly service writer a little, and see if this is an option?

Sorry if this has been discussed previously. I tried a search, although not at length.