LS - 4th Gen (2007-2017) Discussion topics related to the current flagship models LS460, LS460L and LS600H

2011 LS 460 SWB AWD vs 2009 LS600LH Dilemna

Old 05-13-14, 11:40 AM
  #1  
riknchar
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
riknchar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 1,210
Received 225 Likes on 140 Posts
Default 2011 LS 460 SWB AWD vs 2009 LS600LH Dilemna

So I just purchased a gorgeous 2011 CPO LS460 SWB AWD from the local Lexus dealer (3 weeks ago). I got what I felt was a killer deal on this one -- $40,800 out the door (not including tax). The car is a 1-owner with a perfect service history.

So I was just killing time today (foolishly) on AutoTrader.com today when I ran across a CPO 2009 LS600LH at the Kansas City Lexus dealer. 61K miles, charcoal gray, rear seat entertainment system wtih reclining seats. One owner vehicle bought and fully serviced at teh KC Lexus dealer (a very complete service history since new). Price was just dropped to $42K. KBB lists the car's value at $52K, so this seems to be a smoking good deal.

I've been reading about the differences between the LS460 and the LS600 via this formum (and review sites), and now think that it would be nice to have the even smoother LS600.

I shot off an email to the KC dealer to get a feel on what kind of trade difference I'd be looking at. I expect the deal will be for my car plus somewhere around $5K (maybe less, depending on how agressive they get on the trade).

So I'm looking for opinions from Forum members on this deal. Is it worth the extra money to get the hybrid, stretched version, even though it is 2 years older and has 28K more miles?

I know this is ultimately my decision, but would appreciate any thoughts/things I should consider from the forum. Thanks!
Old 05-13-14, 11:55 AM
  #2  
peteybabes
Lexus Test Driver
 
peteybabes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 884
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

If it's a CPO then you can hardly go wrong in one sense!

You will miss some of the features that the 2010+ cars get (memory seats on the front passenger side, etc.), but ultimately you will be getting a much rarer car with potentially better resale.

I would be glad to see what some of the other 600 owners have to say. Good luck!
Old 05-13-14, 12:16 PM
  #3  
CJITTY
Moderator
 
CJITTY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: The South
Posts: 4,785
Received 146 Likes on 109 Posts
Default

600 for sure..but I am biased
Old 05-13-14, 12:39 PM
  #4  
sktn77a
Lead Lap
iTrader: (2)
 
sktn77a's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
Posts: 4,578
Received 292 Likes on 257 Posts
Default

Ask the dealer to e-mail you the carfax and autocheck histories and then confirm the service history on Lexusowners.com. I'm guessing it's not a CPO and there's probably a reason for that! Personally, I'd stick with the newer car, but that's just me.
Old 05-13-14, 01:10 PM
  #5  
riknchar
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
riknchar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 1,210
Received 225 Likes on 140 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by sktn77a
Ask the dealer to e-mail you the carfax and autocheck histories and then confirm the service history on Lexusowners.com. I'm guessing it's not a CPO and there's probably a reason for that! Personally, I'd stick with the newer car, but that's just me.
CarFax shows no accidents, 1 owner since new, nothing unusual. I pulled the full maintenance history via the Lexusowners.com site, and the car appears to have been meticulously maintained by the KC Lexus dealer (service showing up for each 5K mile interval since new).

The car IS being offerred as a Certified Pre-Owned, with the full 3-year 100K total mile warranty.

Sounds like the early consensus is that this is a pretty good deal. Any other thoughts from the LS600 owners out there?

It seems like most of the depreciation should have been already taken from this car (probably cost in the neighborhood of $110K when new, down to $42K after 5 years)... Would the relative rarity/scarceness of the car make it MORE or LESS valuable in the future?

Thanks for the opinions!
Old 05-13-14, 01:14 PM
  #6  
riknchar
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
riknchar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 1,210
Received 225 Likes on 140 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by CJITTY
600 for sure..but I am biased
CJITY: The LS600 I'm considering is the Smoky Granite Mica color, which I believe is the same color you own. How hard has it been to maintain the exterior with that color? Any problems with rock chips, since it's a darker color?

Thanks!
Old 05-13-14, 01:48 PM
  #7  
RodT
Pole Position
 
RodT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: MS
Posts: 285
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

trust me the 600 is well worth it i promise you that you will NOT have any regrets, TRUST ME!!!!!!!!!, Lol, ask any 600 owner, and darker colors does have issues with chips on the front bumper from road debris, but they make a clear bra for that my dealer quoted me $450 for it

Last edited by RodT; 05-13-14 at 01:49 PM. Reason: typo
Old 05-13-14, 02:15 PM
  #8  
CJITTY
Moderator
 
CJITTY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: The South
Posts: 4,785
Received 146 Likes on 109 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by riknchar

CJITY: The LS600 I'm considering is the Smoky Granite Mica color, which I believe is the same color you own. How hard has it been to maintain the exterior with that color? Any problems with rock chips, since it's a darker color?

Thanks!
Yeah..but Lexus paint seems to be soft and I can get my bumper repainted for less than $300 these days..not enough to worry about it if you ask me. I think it is still worth taking car to an independent body shop for full inspection and get an autocheck.com report which is miles above car fax. 600 all the way..I had a 460..you see what I have now. Easy choice
Old 05-13-14, 02:17 PM
  #9  
CJITTY
Moderator
 
CJITTY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: The South
Posts: 4,785
Received 146 Likes on 109 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by riknchar

CarFax shows no accidents, 1 owner since new, nothing unusual. I pulled the full maintenance history via the Lexusowners.com site, and the car appears to have been meticulously maintained by the KC Lexus dealer (service showing up for each 5K mile interval since new).

The car IS being offerred as a Certified Pre-Owned, with the full 3-year 100K total mile warranty.

Sounds like the early consensus is that this is a pretty good deal. Any other thoughts from the LS600 owners out there?

It seems like most of the depreciation should have been already taken from this car (probably cost in the neighborhood of $110K when new, down to $42K after 5 years)... Would the relative rarity/scarceness of the car make it MORE or LESS valuable in the future?

Thanks for the opinions!
Not $110..try $120k+
Old 05-13-14, 02:45 PM
  #10  
caha14
Racer
 
caha14's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: FL
Posts: 1,697
Received 74 Likes on 58 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by riknchar
So I was just killing time today (foolishly) on AutoTrader.com today...
You and me both, and it's all due to our 600hL club in this forum, a.k.a. bunch of troublemakers! Y'all know who you are... Anyone care to persuade my wife that I should also do this?!

I echo what others have said, conditioned to the history and inspection checking out and to the extended warranty (which you've verified already). Good luck!
Old 05-13-14, 03:46 PM
  #11  
patgilm
Lead Lap
 
patgilm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Maryland
Posts: 3,849
Received 226 Likes on 158 Posts
Default

Agree with everyone else. I had a 460 and switched to a 600, no comparison.
Old 05-13-14, 04:01 PM
  #12  
hfahmy
Advanced
 
hfahmy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: GA
Posts: 745
Received 53 Likes on 48 Posts
Default

Ditto... I have both...600 is a very different beast...make sure you ask the dealer to put new tires, this will make it drive like a dream... Last, check the price on edmunds.com, kbb is very high on 600s
Old 05-13-14, 04:31 PM
  #13  
Nospinzone
Moderator
 
Nospinzone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: MA
Posts: 4,166
Received 405 Likes on 313 Posts
Default

Riknchar, I'm laughing at your predicament. The classic act in haste and repent in leisure.

I sympathize, we've all been there in some form. My guess is it will be prohibitively expensive to do a deal now. Probably best to enjoy the nice car you have now and maybe down the road trade it for a newer 600.
Old 05-13-14, 07:18 PM
  #14  
slimjimtel
Lead Lap
 
slimjimtel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: NC
Posts: 523
Likes: 0
Received 17 Likes on 13 Posts
Default

Go for the 600...what an amazing car! I had my 2010 LS600hL at my local dealer for service and had every salesman coming to look at it. Dealers seldom have them for retail as they usually are special order. It's a rare car due to the original price. But if you can buy it with low mileage and let someone els depreciate it, it's a win win for you.
Old 05-14-14, 12:30 AM
  #15  
LXurious
Advanced
 
LXurious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CA
Posts: 625
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Go for the 460 the rarity is dropping and its making me sad

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: 2011 LS 460 SWB AWD vs 2009 LS600LH Dilemna



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:47 AM.