2014 Lexus LS460 F-Sport or 2014 Hyundai Equus Ultimate:Decisions,Decisions, lol
09-01-13, 06:01 PM
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I think the vast majority of LS sales will always be the standard car. I know I have only seen one LS F Sport in the wild and I've seen quite a few 2013 LS's. I like the look of the F Sport front end better, but like everything else about the base car better.
If you're thinking resale, I would do the base car optioned up over the F Sport.
Quick question, if you liked the MKZ and E Class have you driven the GS? No V8 in the GS, but the drive is way better than the E Class, and clearly a class up from the MKZ (which I like a lot as well).
If you're thinking resale, I would do the base car optioned up over the F Sport.
Quick question, if you liked the MKZ and E Class have you driven the GS? No V8 in the GS, but the drive is way better than the E Class, and clearly a class up from the MKZ (which I like a lot as well).
I drove a GS 450h, nice acceleration and CVT tranny is smooth. I like the LS better because it has more room inside, but GS was fun to drive. GS 450h pretty much loaded is only 60-65 K . Buying a GS would save me 20 K. lol
New redesigned 2015 ES 550, available spring 2014 looks pretty cool. Car and Driver online has some pics.
09-01-13, 06:49 PM
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Yeah the GS is really tight in the rear...
09-02-13, 07:17 AM
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Hyundai is definitely closing the gap and forcing real luxury manufacturers like Lexus to push further into exclusivity and technology. What makes the difference is little things that you notice over the long term, like true ride quality. LS won't feel "brittle"' after you've lived it for 6 months, not sure you can say the same thing about the Hyundai
09-02-13, 07:30 AM
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09-02-13, 08:09 AM
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Here is an article comparing the two. A few years old but interesting.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test
Overall, the 460's have not been as reliable as the 400's and 430's. The only major issue with the 460's was the valve spring recall for 07 & 08 models. I think part of the problem with the 460's is the cost of the parts when you are out of warranty. Suspension issues are really expensive. If you have plenty of money and are not really concerned about cost go ahead and buy new. I'm not trying to tell you not to. I have purchased new cars before. None that were 80K but I look back and totally regret not using that money on a beautiful single owner LS. Lesson learned.
If you are going used and want better reliability, a low mileage 2006 430 would be a better choice. Yes they are older and not as modern or powerful but they were also put together better. I personally would not trust the 460's much without a warranty. Too many little things are going wrong with them and they cost an arm and a leg to fix. But you could easily purchase a late model 460 with the extended warranty for under 40k. Lexus offers the Platinum Warranty up to 120k miles. Or even a 600hl with the extended warranty.
Again, just my opinion. I don't plan on ever spending more then 20 - 30k on an investment that is guaranteed to loose money. I would much rather put that extra 40 to 60k at work making me money rather then watching it depreciate 60% in the first 5 years. A new car, on average, looses 11% of it's value the moment it leaves the lot.
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Below is an example of depreciation on a $81,000 car.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test
Overall, the 460's have not been as reliable as the 400's and 430's. The only major issue with the 460's was the valve spring recall for 07 & 08 models. I think part of the problem with the 460's is the cost of the parts when you are out of warranty. Suspension issues are really expensive. If you have plenty of money and are not really concerned about cost go ahead and buy new. I'm not trying to tell you not to. I have purchased new cars before. None that were 80K but I look back and totally regret not using that money on a beautiful single owner LS. Lesson learned.
If you are going used and want better reliability, a low mileage 2006 430 would be a better choice. Yes they are older and not as modern or powerful but they were also put together better. I personally would not trust the 460's much without a warranty. Too many little things are going wrong with them and they cost an arm and a leg to fix. But you could easily purchase a late model 460 with the extended warranty for under 40k. Lexus offers the Platinum Warranty up to 120k miles. Or even a 600hl with the extended warranty.
Again, just my opinion. I don't plan on ever spending more then 20 - 30k on an investment that is guaranteed to loose money. I would much rather put that extra 40 to 60k at work making me money rather then watching it depreciate 60% in the first 5 years. A new car, on average, looses 11% of it's value the moment it leaves the lot.
Example
Or
Below is an example of depreciation on a $81,000 car.
I don't buy a car for an investment. I may die before I can spend my retirement, so I get what I want, enjoy life and save money for retirement. I know several friends who have passed away in their 40's and 50's, too tight with their money and didn't really enjoy life.
I buy used when I can find something I want.
09-02-13, 08:12 AM
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Absolutely, life is too short to deny yourself things that you want and can afford.
09-02-13, 08:18 AM
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LOL...glad we could make your day 
09-02-13, 08:55 AM
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Just giving you guys some background about me, My current vehicles:
2001 Ford F-150 Ford Lightning, Red, Built Motor/Whipple Supercharger/Direct Port Nitrous, Trick Flow heads, street/strip truck about 800 hp and 1000 lbs rwtrq at the wheels.
2007 Ford F-250 Crew Cab Lariat Outlaw Edition, Black, Stage II Turbo, etc about 540 hp, 1100-1200 rwtrq at the wheels.
1991 Ford F-150, Reg Cab, Lariat Long bed with Tommy Lift, lol , Red (Father bought it new, he has Alzheimers now) New Built 408 Stroker motor, Vortech Si Trim Blower, Trick Flow heads, etc about 750 hp, need to dyno. A sleeper..lol
1981 Toyota Pickup, Red, Weber Carb, Headers, that's it. lol(Passed to me from Father)
2008 Big Dog K-9 EFI Motorcycle, (Softail) PPG Poison Ivy Paint (Mostly Green/changes to Blue)/ Dark Grey Tribal Flames, 117cc S&S motor, 585 Crane Cam, etc, Fun as hell and pretty Fast for a Chopper
Just sold 2012 Range Rover Sport Autobiography, 5.0 L , TVS Supercharger, 510 hp AWD
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09-02-13, 07:38 PM
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I believe that buying a new car is a waste of money. You can get a used low mileage 2010-2012 LS 460 for the same or even lower price of a new Equus. The Equus has not been around long enough for me to really trust it's reliability and how it will hold up in the long term as far as the interior rattles and shakes.