Sports (tires)
10-16-16, 12:58 PM
#1
Instructor
Thread Starter
Sports (tires)
An LS isn't a boy racer car but we drive Sports for a reason. I'm interested in feedback on tires that are a good "luxury sports" choice. Right now I'm running new Premiers on 17's that I had sitting around. Noticeably better handling but still near Base level comfort and lack of noise. Feel the bumps a little more. Freeway noise pretty much the same but feels like I am actually driving a car. Comfortable and balanced at 85. Nice combo of luxury and drivability.
By comparison, my 01 Base totally insulated me from the road. One finger lightly balanced on the steering wheel to control a 2 ton car at 75 mph. Tomb like quiet. Unique level of comfort. Also a nice drive for very different reasons.
Ok there's the Premiers choice. Another brand/model that comes up are Pirelli P7's. Anyone running these on 18's? Noise?
Comfort? Handling? I've never driven a 7 series but am curious how a Sports w/ something like Pilots on 18's would compare.
By comparison, my 01 Base totally insulated me from the road. One finger lightly balanced on the steering wheel to control a 2 ton car at 75 mph. Tomb like quiet. Unique level of comfort. Also a nice drive for very different reasons.
Ok there's the Premiers choice. Another brand/model that comes up are Pirelli P7's. Anyone running these on 18's? Noise?
Comfort? Handling? I've never driven a 7 series but am curious how a Sports w/ something like Pilots on 18's would compare.
10-17-16, 05:39 AM
#5
Lexus Fanatic
I've got a no name brand W rated tire since the selling dealer replaced them all, and they are brand new. My wife said please, can't you just use them, you've already bought snow tires (the tires are made in China, I was considering tossing them altogether and getting new, likely Conti DWS). But as I drive the car, I don't feel it handles all that well, meaning I'm not going to push it through the twisties, and the tires it has are not noisy, nor do the sidewalls roll over. They are actually sold on amazon.com
Again, if I could do it, I'd get either those DWS and have AAA mount/balance, or just go to Costco and likely get some sort of a/s Pilot....
I no longer see the correct size on amazon, but they were like $90 each
https://www.amazon.com/Rydanz-ROADSTER-Performance-Radial-Tire/dp/B015J38DVU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1476707760&sr=8-1&keywords=rydanz+roadster+r02
Tires is something I don't skimp on, but it doesn't seem to make sense to toss the tires that are on the car...
p.s. one Lexus dealer showed me the internal work order on a 430 they were selling, and it stated 4 new tires @ $2xx.xx each. When I saw the car in person, they were also cheap no name brand tires--maybe because these are 10+ y.o. used cars that are being sold on the used lot?
Again, if I could do it, I'd get either those DWS and have AAA mount/balance, or just go to Costco and likely get some sort of a/s Pilot....
I no longer see the correct size on amazon, but they were like $90 each
https://www.amazon.com/Rydanz-ROADSTER-Performance-Radial-Tire/dp/B015J38DVU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1476707760&sr=8-1&keywords=rydanz+roadster+r02
Tires is something I don't skimp on, but it doesn't seem to make sense to toss the tires that are on the car...
p.s. one Lexus dealer showed me the internal work order on a 430 they were selling, and it stated 4 new tires @ $2xx.xx each. When I saw the car in person, they were also cheap no name brand tires--maybe because these are 10+ y.o. used cars that are being sold on the used lot?
10-17-16, 08:00 AM
#6
Pit Crew
I don’t think there’s a “right” answer to this question. Information and trust are the key factors.
These no-name tires might be carefully engineered and manufactured, with quality materials, and sold at a great price because the company doesn’t spend its money on Formula 1 teams and TV ads. They might serve you and your family safely and reliably for a satisfactory length of time.
They might be complete crap. Or most likely somewhere in between.
No trusted organization (like Consumer Reports, or Tire Rack, or whoever you trust) has performed objective testing on these tires, as far as we know. You have a shortage of information. This company has no reputation to uphold, and reputation is some sort of information.
But what is a trusted reputation worth, anyway? We might once have believed that the world’s largest bank would never pressure its employees to fraudulently open customer accounts. We might once have believed that the world’s largest manufacturer of cell phones wouldn’t sell us phones that catch on fire. We might once have believed that Lexus would not equip its cars with air suspensions that fail prematurely and sell replacement parts for $1000 each.
So just because we believe Michelin (or insert your favorite tire brand here) makes the best tires, some people may have good reason to strongly disagree. And even among our trusted brands, objective testing may give surprising results.
If you were tire-shopping, you wouldn’t have bought these tires. You only have them because someone installed them on a ~$15K used car you bought, a car that was designed to be one of the finest cars on the market. Now that you own them, you wonder if they’re worth a gamble, and your wife, like mine, doesn’t appreciate how concerned you are about making the right choice for your family. Is changing them a waste of money? Is keeping them putting you at risk in the event of an extreme (or normal!) situation? We wonder about these things, and we worry, and we have to decide based on our best evaluation of incomplete and imperfect information. And our wives think we just like screwing around on a bunch of car websites.
I’d tell my wife that I paid less for the car than I would have if it had a familiar premium brand tire because I knew I’d be replacing them immediately. (That would be true) And then I’d replace them. Because I care.
Kevin
These no-name tires might be carefully engineered and manufactured, with quality materials, and sold at a great price because the company doesn’t spend its money on Formula 1 teams and TV ads. They might serve you and your family safely and reliably for a satisfactory length of time.
They might be complete crap. Or most likely somewhere in between.
No trusted organization (like Consumer Reports, or Tire Rack, or whoever you trust) has performed objective testing on these tires, as far as we know. You have a shortage of information. This company has no reputation to uphold, and reputation is some sort of information.
But what is a trusted reputation worth, anyway? We might once have believed that the world’s largest bank would never pressure its employees to fraudulently open customer accounts. We might once have believed that the world’s largest manufacturer of cell phones wouldn’t sell us phones that catch on fire. We might once have believed that Lexus would not equip its cars with air suspensions that fail prematurely and sell replacement parts for $1000 each.
So just because we believe Michelin (or insert your favorite tire brand here) makes the best tires, some people may have good reason to strongly disagree. And even among our trusted brands, objective testing may give surprising results.
If you were tire-shopping, you wouldn’t have bought these tires. You only have them because someone installed them on a ~$15K used car you bought, a car that was designed to be one of the finest cars on the market. Now that you own them, you wonder if they’re worth a gamble, and your wife, like mine, doesn’t appreciate how concerned you are about making the right choice for your family. Is changing them a waste of money? Is keeping them putting you at risk in the event of an extreme (or normal!) situation? We wonder about these things, and we worry, and we have to decide based on our best evaluation of incomplete and imperfect information. And our wives think we just like screwing around on a bunch of car websites.
I’d tell my wife that I paid less for the car than I would have if it had a familiar premium brand tire because I knew I’d be replacing them immediately. (That would be true) And then I’d replace them. Because I care.
Kevin
10-17-16, 08:39 AM
#7
Lexus Fanatic
I don’t think there’s a “right” answer to this question. Information and trust are the key factors.
These no-name tires might be carefully engineered and manufactured, with quality materials, and sold at a great price because the company doesn’t spend its money on Formula 1 teams and TV ads. They might serve you and your family safely and reliably for a satisfactory length of time.
They might be complete crap. Or most likely somewhere in between.
No trusted organization (like Consumer Reports, or Tire Rack, or whoever you trust) has performed objective testing on these tires, as far as we know. You have a shortage of information. This company has no reputation to uphold, and reputation is some sort of information.
But what is a trusted reputation worth, anyway? We might once have believed that the world’s largest bank would never pressure its employees to fraudulently open customer accounts. We might once have believed that the world’s largest manufacturer of cell phones wouldn’t sell us phones that catch on fire. We might once have believed that Lexus would not equip its cars with air suspensions that fail prematurely and sell replacement parts for $1000 each.
So just because we believe Michelin (or insert your favorite tire brand here) makes the best tires, some people may have good reason to strongly disagree. And even among our trusted brands, objective testing may give surprising results.
If you were tire-shopping, you wouldn’t have bought these tires. You only have them because someone installed them on a ~$15K used car you bought, a car that was designed to be one of the finest cars on the market. Now that you own them, you wonder if they’re worth a gamble, and your wife, like mine, doesn’t appreciate how concerned you are about making the right choice for your family. Is changing them a waste of money? Is keeping them putting you at risk in the event of an extreme (or normal!) situation? We wonder about these things, and we worry, and we have to decide based on our best evaluation of incomplete and imperfect information. And our wives think we just like screwing around on a bunch of car websites.
I’d tell my wife that I paid less for the car than I would have if it had a familiar premium brand tire because I knew I’d be replacing them immediately. (That would be true) And then I’d replace them. Because I care.
Kevin
These no-name tires might be carefully engineered and manufactured, with quality materials, and sold at a great price because the company doesn’t spend its money on Formula 1 teams and TV ads. They might serve you and your family safely and reliably for a satisfactory length of time.
They might be complete crap. Or most likely somewhere in between.
No trusted organization (like Consumer Reports, or Tire Rack, or whoever you trust) has performed objective testing on these tires, as far as we know. You have a shortage of information. This company has no reputation to uphold, and reputation is some sort of information.
But what is a trusted reputation worth, anyway? We might once have believed that the world’s largest bank would never pressure its employees to fraudulently open customer accounts. We might once have believed that the world’s largest manufacturer of cell phones wouldn’t sell us phones that catch on fire. We might once have believed that Lexus would not equip its cars with air suspensions that fail prematurely and sell replacement parts for $1000 each.
So just because we believe Michelin (or insert your favorite tire brand here) makes the best tires, some people may have good reason to strongly disagree. And even among our trusted brands, objective testing may give surprising results.
If you were tire-shopping, you wouldn’t have bought these tires. You only have them because someone installed them on a ~$15K used car you bought, a car that was designed to be one of the finest cars on the market. Now that you own them, you wonder if they’re worth a gamble, and your wife, like mine, doesn’t appreciate how concerned you are about making the right choice for your family. Is changing them a waste of money? Is keeping them putting you at risk in the event of an extreme (or normal!) situation? We wonder about these things, and we worry, and we have to decide based on our best evaluation of incomplete and imperfect information. And our wives think we just like screwing around on a bunch of car websites.
I’d tell my wife that I paid less for the car than I would have if it had a familiar premium brand tire because I knew I’d be replacing them immediately. (That would be true) And then I’d replace them. Because I care.
Kevin
But again, a Lexus dealership whose internal work order shows 4 tires replaced, alignment, shocks, oil change, blah blah blah, they too also put some no name brand on. I'm going to keep driving with them for now--although I might just visit a tire shop who sells them. They seem to be for sale in the NYC area....
http://www.mavistire.com/tire-brands/Rydanz/?model=Roadster+RD02\
apparently they are sold in more than the NYC area, $94 each
http://www.mavistire.com/tire-brands...id=47050&frb=B
Last edited by Johnhav430; 10-17-16 at 11:46 AM.
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10-18-16, 12:05 PM
#8
U get what ya pay for in tires and most everything else. That said ya just want tires for transportation get cheap tires and hope for the best. I put on 30 k miles a year and value the driving "experience". I do not like buyers remorse after 40-50 k miles on a tire when my LS is now a bit tired and I get into a premium tire and regret what I missed in handling, ride and quiet by driving a cheap unknown poorly rated tire. I have Scorpions on my Touareg, P7's on my LS and some Scorpion A/S plus on my Highlander. I had the LX20 Conti's on my highlander and ditched em, I like the Pirellis more. the Conti LXCross Contacts on my first Touareg lasted 22k miles.
Pirellis aren't as expensive as Michelins and I like em a lot. Would I like Michelin more maybe any other tire just is not worth the risk.
Now having said that the LX20 eco's on my Highlander I did not like as well at all as the Scorpion plus's and they where rated neck and neck Contis better by a nose on TR. Get the highest Speed rated tires V's are fine if ya can.
Pirellis aren't as expensive as Michelins and I like em a lot. Would I like Michelin more maybe any other tire just is not worth the risk.
Now having said that the LX20 eco's on my Highlander I did not like as well at all as the Scorpion plus's and they where rated neck and neck Contis better by a nose on TR. Get the highest Speed rated tires V's are fine if ya can.
10-19-16, 05:12 AM
#9
Lexus Fanatic
U get what ya pay for in tires and most everything else. That said ya just want tires for transportation get cheap tires and hope for the best. I put on 30 k miles a year and value the driving "experience". I do not like buyers remorse after 40-50 k miles on a tire when my LS is now a bit tired and I get into a premium tire and regret what I missed in handling, ride and quiet by driving a cheap unknown poorly rated tire. I have Scorpions on my Touareg, P7's on my LS and some Scorpion A/S plus on my Highlander. I had the LX20 Conti's on my highlander and ditched em, I like the Pirellis more. the Conti LXCross Contacts on my first Touareg lasted 22k miles.
Pirellis aren't as expensive as Michelins and I like em a lot. Would I like Michelin more maybe any other tire just is not worth the risk.
Now having said that the LX20 eco's on my Highlander I did not like as well at all as the Scorpion plus's and they where rated neck and neck Contis better by a nose on TR. Get the highest Speed rated tires V's are fine if ya can.
Pirellis aren't as expensive as Michelins and I like em a lot. Would I like Michelin more maybe any other tire just is not worth the risk.
Now having said that the LX20 eco's on my Highlander I did not like as well at all as the Scorpion plus's and they where rated neck and neck Contis better by a nose on TR. Get the highest Speed rated tires V's are fine if ya can.
Should the SP Sport 5000's be the benchmark? If so, then that opens us up to Conti DWS 06's and Pirellis--I would lean towards the Contis, but would wait for more data on the P Zero a/s with the new compound (oddly the tread design reminds me of my Kumhos on the Maxima, or the Michelin Latitudes).
As for now, Rydanz baby! (they've got to be at 11/32)
edit: I would always check Costco though, and if they sell the Pilot Sport A/S 3+ I would likely accept the comments of the harsh ride, how harsh can it actually be when I drive a sport packaged 335i with Pilot Super Sports anyway....
Last edited by Johnhav430; 10-19-16 at 05:16 AM.
10-21-16, 09:14 AM
#10
Pole Position
An LS isn't a boy racer car but we drive Sports for a reason. I'm interested in feedback on tires that are a good "luxury sports" choice. Right now I'm running new Premiers on 17's that I had sitting around. Noticeably better handling but still near Base level comfort and lack of noise. Feel the bumps a little more. Freeway noise pretty much the same but feels like I am actually driving a car. Comfortable and balanced at 85. Nice combo of luxury and drivability.
By comparison, my 01 Base totally insulated me from the road. One finger lightly balanced on the steering wheel to control a 2 ton car at 75 mph. Tomb like quiet. Unique level of comfort. Also a nice drive for very different reasons.
Ok there's the Premiers choice. Another brand/model that comes up are Pirelli P7's. Anyone running these on 18's? Noise?
Comfort? Handling? I've never driven a 7 series but am curious how a Sports w/ something like Pilots on 18's would compare.
By comparison, my 01 Base totally insulated me from the road. One finger lightly balanced on the steering wheel to control a 2 ton car at 75 mph. Tomb like quiet. Unique level of comfort. Also a nice drive for very different reasons.
Ok there's the Premiers choice. Another brand/model that comes up are Pirelli P7's. Anyone running these on 18's? Noise?
Comfort? Handling? I've never driven a 7 series but am curious how a Sports w/ something like Pilots on 18's would compare.
On another note, I have a new-to-me "fun" car (Audi S5) that I just put Continental Extreme Contact DW's on 3 days ago (switching from worn-out Michelin's that were on the car when I bought it). Those are 235/35/ZR19. I don't know if it's an indication of how worn-out the Michelins were (tech told me I had about 5k left, but I had a nail that couldn't be patched so I chose to replace sooner), but I drove the car on the interstate last night and it was like driving a completely different vehicle. Nice and quiet and did very well as I tested the car around some turns at high speed. Noise level was very reasonable even as I pushed the speed to just under 100mph. I bought those tires on Tire Rack for $150/each plus $75 shipping. Feels like an absolute steal- my first experience with Continental but pretty impressed so far.
10-21-16, 10:01 AM
#11
Instructor
Thread Starter
I don’t think there’s a “right” answer to this question. Information and trust are the key factors.
These no-name tires might be carefully engineered and manufactured, with quality materials, and sold at a great price because the company doesn’t spend its money on Formula 1 teams and TV ads. They might serve you and your family safely and reliably for a satisfactory length of time.
They might be complete crap. Or most likely somewhere in between.
No trusted organization (like Consumer Reports, or Tire Rack, or whoever you trust) has performed objective testing on these tires, as far as we know. You have a shortage of information. This company has no reputation to uphold, and reputation is some sort of information.
But what is a trusted reputation worth, anyway? We might once have believed that the world’s largest bank would never pressure its employees to fraudulently open customer accounts. We might once have believed that the world’s largest manufacturer of cell phones wouldn’t sell us phones that catch on fire. We might once have believed that Lexus would not equip its cars with air suspensions that fail prematurely and sell replacement parts for $1000 each.
So just because we believe Michelin (or insert your favorite tire brand here) makes the best tires, some people may have good reason to strongly disagree. And even among our trusted brands, objective testing may give surprising results.
If you were tire-shopping, you wouldn’t have bought these tires. You only have them because someone installed them on a ~$15K used car you bought, a car that was designed to be one of the finest cars on the market. Now that you own them, you wonder if they’re worth a gamble, and your wife, like mine, doesn’t appreciate how concerned you are about making the right choice for your family. Is changing them a waste of money? Is keeping them putting you at risk in the event of an extreme (or normal!) situation? We wonder about these things, and we worry, and we have to decide based on our best evaluation of incomplete and imperfect information. And our wives think we just like screwing around on a bunch of car websites.
I’d tell my wife that I paid less for the car than I would have if it had a familiar premium brand tire because I knew I’d be replacing them immediately. (That would be true) And then I’d replace them. Because I care.
Kevin
These no-name tires might be carefully engineered and manufactured, with quality materials, and sold at a great price because the company doesn’t spend its money on Formula 1 teams and TV ads. They might serve you and your family safely and reliably for a satisfactory length of time.
They might be complete crap. Or most likely somewhere in between.
No trusted organization (like Consumer Reports, or Tire Rack, or whoever you trust) has performed objective testing on these tires, as far as we know. You have a shortage of information. This company has no reputation to uphold, and reputation is some sort of information.
But what is a trusted reputation worth, anyway? We might once have believed that the world’s largest bank would never pressure its employees to fraudulently open customer accounts. We might once have believed that the world’s largest manufacturer of cell phones wouldn’t sell us phones that catch on fire. We might once have believed that Lexus would not equip its cars with air suspensions that fail prematurely and sell replacement parts for $1000 each.
So just because we believe Michelin (or insert your favorite tire brand here) makes the best tires, some people may have good reason to strongly disagree. And even among our trusted brands, objective testing may give surprising results.
If you were tire-shopping, you wouldn’t have bought these tires. You only have them because someone installed them on a ~$15K used car you bought, a car that was designed to be one of the finest cars on the market. Now that you own them, you wonder if they’re worth a gamble, and your wife, like mine, doesn’t appreciate how concerned you are about making the right choice for your family. Is changing them a waste of money? Is keeping them putting you at risk in the event of an extreme (or normal!) situation? We wonder about these things, and we worry, and we have to decide based on our best evaluation of incomplete and imperfect information. And our wives think we just like screwing around on a bunch of car websites.
I’d tell my wife that I paid less for the car than I would have if it had a familiar premium brand tire because I knew I’d be replacing them immediately. (That would be true) And then I’d replace them. Because I care.
Kevin
10-21-16, 10:48 AM
#12
Lexus Champion
Selecting a brand is one thing but there within there are many choices. Choose for your car and driving style. As far as I am concerned our lives depend on tires.
I never even bother looking at no name tires, mostly made in China, Oh, No! One thing I don't like is RFT. More expensive, more troublesome.
I never even bother looking at no name tires, mostly made in China, Oh, No! One thing I don't like is RFT. More expensive, more troublesome.
10-21-16, 11:03 AM
#13
Lexus Fanatic
Selecting a brand is one thing but there within there are many choices. Choose for your car and driving style. As far as I am concerned our lives depend on tires.
I never even bother looking at no name tires, mostly made in China, Oh, No! One thing I don't like is RFT. More expensive, more troublesome.
I never even bother looking at no name tires, mostly made in China, Oh, No! One thing I don't like is RFT. More expensive, more troublesome.
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