What's The Best GASOLINE for the 430?
09-06-16, 01:42 PM
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What's The Best GASOLINE for the 430?
I'm a big fan of Shell V Power Nitro+.
And I certainly will only use "Top Tier" gas, unless I have no choice.
How does everyone else feel? I know there's a good few "Top Tier" out there.....
And I certainly will only use "Top Tier" gas, unless I have no choice.
How does everyone else feel? I know there's a good few "Top Tier" out there.....
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09-06-16, 05:20 PM
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I tend to agree. About 90% of my driving is on the interstate, so I run mid-grade and buy cheap gas at a place called "Speedway". Never been an issue and I get what I feel is fantastic fuel economy. I'm averaging 27-29 mpg each way on my commute.
09-06-16, 06:44 PM
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http://newsroom.aaa.com/2016/07/aaa-...created-equal/
09-06-16, 09:38 PM
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Large geographic regions in the US are typically serviced by one and only one pipeline for gasoline. Every singe local gas brand in that large geographic region buys its gas from the exact same wholesaler that owns that pipeline. All gas is locally absolutely 100% identical with the only difference being the additive package that the local brand buys from the wholesaler who adds it to the gas as it is being pumped into the delivery truck. Buy any Tier 1 gas from any local brand and it will be 100% identical. The marketing BS of major gas brands touting they have superior gas to gullible consumers is one of the oldest and longest running consumer scams ever. Google Tier 1 gas and you can get a list of gas brands that carry Tier 1 certified gas (meaning only that the local seller buys gas with a premium level additive/detergent to the gas they buy from the wholesaler).
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09-07-16, 12:28 AM
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If you pay attention to the fuel delivery trucks they tend to be the same to most retailers so it is essentially the same gasoline.
BUT you should buy from a newer station that has newer underground tanks, pumps, and maintains their filtering system. If the gas pump fills your tank super slowly then odds are the filter in the pump is dirty. Chunks of contamination usually do not make it into your gas tank and even if they did the mesh sock on the fuel pump inlet would keep it in the tank. But you can avoid this by just going to a station you either know is under about 5 years old or if traveling out of town you can just look and tell by the bright concrete and condition of the building/pumps if it is a newer station.
Surprisingly I got a tank of gas at a Sunoco station that is under 6 months old (I saw it being built) where they even sell E85 but ended up with WORSE fuel economy at 21.0 mpg as a tank average. The grocery store gas near my house gets me 22.2 mpg in mostly city driving.
BUT you should buy from a newer station that has newer underground tanks, pumps, and maintains their filtering system. If the gas pump fills your tank super slowly then odds are the filter in the pump is dirty. Chunks of contamination usually do not make it into your gas tank and even if they did the mesh sock on the fuel pump inlet would keep it in the tank. But you can avoid this by just going to a station you either know is under about 5 years old or if traveling out of town you can just look and tell by the bright concrete and condition of the building/pumps if it is a newer station.
Surprisingly I got a tank of gas at a Sunoco station that is under 6 months old (I saw it being built) where they even sell E85 but ended up with WORSE fuel economy at 21.0 mpg as a tank average. The grocery store gas near my house gets me 22.2 mpg in mostly city driving.
09-07-16, 06:58 AM
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it's the same from the refinery, not from the pump to your tank
http://newsroom.aaa.com/2016/07/aaa-...created-equal/
http://newsroom.aaa.com/2016/07/aaa-...created-equal/
09-07-16, 08:13 AM
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From actual testing and not opinions, it appears that Top tier gas is worth it.
http://www.consumerreports.org/car-m...h-extra-price/
http://www.consumerreports.org/car-m...h-extra-price/
Using an independent engine testing lab that specializes in fuel analysis, AAA sought to answer the question: Is “Top Tier” gasoline worth the price? The short answer is yes.
What Is Top Tier Gas?
Gasoline is essentially a shared commodity, often stored in common containers until it is purchased by a major retailer. After that, the retailer treats the gas with a specific additive, thereby giving the fuel its brand identity. But are these additives just a dosage of marketing hype?
Top Tier gasoline was developed in 2004 to go beyond the minimum standard for detergent additives to better protect increasingly sophisticated engines from carbon buildup and deposits on the intake valves—which can result in a rough idle, acceleration hesitation, knocking/pinging, and reduced fuel economy.
Over the past 20 years, engines have become far more precise, operating under tighter tolerances and at higher compression ratios, while targeting cleaner emissions and improved fuel economy. To achieve these goals, eight automakers—Audi, BMW, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, General Motors, Honda, Mercedes-Benz, Toyota, and Volkswagen—have united in support of Top Tier gas, specifically recommending it to their owners with the goal of preserving their engines’ original performance and emissions over time.
Top Tier retailers include 76, Aloha Petroleum, Amoco, ARCO, Beacon, BP, Break Time, Cenex, Chevron, CITGO, Conoco, Co-op, Costco, CountryMark, Diamond Shamrock, Entec, Esso, Express, Exxon, Holiday, Kwik Star Stores, Kwik Trip, Mahalo, MFA, Mobil, Ohana Fuels, Petro-Canada, Phillips 66, PUMA, QT, Quik Trip, Road Ranger, Shamrock, Shell / Shell V-Power, Sinclair Standard, SuperAmerica, SuperFuels, Tempo, Texaco, Tri-Par, and Valero.
Visit our guide to fuel economy.
Intake valve comparison showing a new valve compared to the results from the 100-hour engine test.
Photo: AAAGas Test Findings
For its test, the lab operated an engine continuously for 100 hours on a cycle to represent 4,000 real-miles of use. The engine was then disassembled, photographed, and its key components weighed and measured to determine the thickness of carbon deposits. Six fuels were used, randomly selected and split among three basic gasoline sources and three Top Tier.
The results showed that on average, Top Tier gasoline had 19 times fewer carbon deposits on injectors, intake valves, and in the combustion chamber when compared to regular gasoline.
AAA also found Top Tier gasoline can have a cleansing effect, reducing intake valve deposits by 45 to 72 percent when used over a 5,000-mile interval. Variation in the results is attributed to the detergents used by different brands.
Further, analyzing gas prices over a 12-month period found just a three cent price difference between non-Top Tier and Top Tier gasoline.
Bottom line: For the nominal investment, this study shows that motorists would benefit from using Top Tier gasoline as their primary fuel.
Given the technological trend toward more sophisticated engines, we think the EPA should consider raising the minimum detergent standards to ensure all drivers benefit from the type of performance and longevity promised by Top Tier fuels.
What Is Top Tier Gas?
Gasoline is essentially a shared commodity, often stored in common containers until it is purchased by a major retailer. After that, the retailer treats the gas with a specific additive, thereby giving the fuel its brand identity. But are these additives just a dosage of marketing hype?
Top Tier gasoline was developed in 2004 to go beyond the minimum standard for detergent additives to better protect increasingly sophisticated engines from carbon buildup and deposits on the intake valves—which can result in a rough idle, acceleration hesitation, knocking/pinging, and reduced fuel economy.
Over the past 20 years, engines have become far more precise, operating under tighter tolerances and at higher compression ratios, while targeting cleaner emissions and improved fuel economy. To achieve these goals, eight automakers—Audi, BMW, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, General Motors, Honda, Mercedes-Benz, Toyota, and Volkswagen—have united in support of Top Tier gas, specifically recommending it to their owners with the goal of preserving their engines’ original performance and emissions over time.
Top Tier retailers include 76, Aloha Petroleum, Amoco, ARCO, Beacon, BP, Break Time, Cenex, Chevron, CITGO, Conoco, Co-op, Costco, CountryMark, Diamond Shamrock, Entec, Esso, Express, Exxon, Holiday, Kwik Star Stores, Kwik Trip, Mahalo, MFA, Mobil, Ohana Fuels, Petro-Canada, Phillips 66, PUMA, QT, Quik Trip, Road Ranger, Shamrock, Shell / Shell V-Power, Sinclair Standard, SuperAmerica, SuperFuels, Tempo, Texaco, Tri-Par, and Valero.
Visit our guide to fuel economy.
Intake valve comparison showing a new valve compared to the results from the 100-hour engine test.
Photo: AAAGas Test Findings
For its test, the lab operated an engine continuously for 100 hours on a cycle to represent 4,000 real-miles of use. The engine was then disassembled, photographed, and its key components weighed and measured to determine the thickness of carbon deposits. Six fuels were used, randomly selected and split among three basic gasoline sources and three Top Tier.
The results showed that on average, Top Tier gasoline had 19 times fewer carbon deposits on injectors, intake valves, and in the combustion chamber when compared to regular gasoline.
AAA also found Top Tier gasoline can have a cleansing effect, reducing intake valve deposits by 45 to 72 percent when used over a 5,000-mile interval. Variation in the results is attributed to the detergents used by different brands.
Further, analyzing gas prices over a 12-month period found just a three cent price difference between non-Top Tier and Top Tier gasoline.
Bottom line: For the nominal investment, this study shows that motorists would benefit from using Top Tier gasoline as their primary fuel.
Given the technological trend toward more sophisticated engines, we think the EPA should consider raising the minimum detergent standards to ensure all drivers benefit from the type of performance and longevity promised by Top Tier fuels.
09-08-16, 03:12 AM
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Absolute Best gas for LS430
Hey All,
It was REAL simple for me to find out which octane to use in my LS. I was using 87 octane, BUT NEVER AGAIN will I use 87. I was only getting 10 MPG AVG and my LS ran like crap on 87 octane.
I drove all the 87 octane out and put 93 octane in from the local QT station and immediately noticed a HUGE improvement in performance,gas mileage,idling,and response!! The trip computer instantly showed the MPG's going up and I was super excited.
I dont mind paying the little bit of difference in price to get a WHOLE LOTTA MORE outta my car, which it was designed to do in the first place. My LS has 174k miles and runs like a brand new one.
This car has truly always been my dream car and it feels good to actually be living one of my dreams... By the way, Ive had this car for two months and bought it for $4600 and its the Ultra with every option Lexus offerred.
I will post pictures soon...
It was REAL simple for me to find out which octane to use in my LS. I was using 87 octane, BUT NEVER AGAIN will I use 87. I was only getting 10 MPG AVG and my LS ran like crap on 87 octane.
I drove all the 87 octane out and put 93 octane in from the local QT station and immediately noticed a HUGE improvement in performance,gas mileage,idling,and response!! The trip computer instantly showed the MPG's going up and I was super excited.
I dont mind paying the little bit of difference in price to get a WHOLE LOTTA MORE outta my car, which it was designed to do in the first place. My LS has 174k miles and runs like a brand new one.
This car has truly always been my dream car and it feels good to actually be living one of my dreams... By the way, Ive had this car for two months and bought it for $4600 and its the Ultra with every option Lexus offerred.
I will post pictures soon...
09-08-16, 04:32 AM
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That is strange that your car doesn't utilize 87 octane efficiently. Many posters on this site have had good success using 87 octane exclusively. I have been running 87 octance through my LS430 with little issues for the past year. That is why I recommend top tier fuels as the fouling of pistons has been proven to be minimal.