Fixman

Hi I know this been asked sevral times befor, but hear it goes.
I have an 04 430 with almost 160K miles on it. I have a chance to trade it in for a 07 460 with about 80k miles.
Mine is in good condition. Small stuff hear and ther (park sensors, coin holder, small chips & scratches) nothing meager. Just did the timing belt, water pump, radiator, plugs) teams flushed about 15k ago.
The 460 is really tempting.
For thous how will ask why the 460 is cheaper than the 430, it is due to the demand, hear the 430 evin the 400 is in Hight demand.
Hummmmmmmm.

Bocatrip

FYI....The LS460 unlike the LS430 had problems right from the beginning. The beginning in your case is the 2007...the first year introduced. My advice unless your current car is having major issues... is to look for a 2010 LS460 or newer as all the previous cars had problems. In addition, most owners of the LS460 who had owned the LS430 preferred the previous model. Newer in this case is not necessarily better. Good luck and do your research.

LS430FL

I will tell you this, don't expect to be overly wowed by the 460 if you have been used to the 430. I had an 01 LS430 then an 06 LS430. Owned each about three years or more. Last month I traded in the 06 for a CPO 2011 LS460L. Its a great car full of technology and its way more high-tech than the 430, but I just feel like I am in a newer model LS430, I don't feel like I am in a totally different car. Many times while driving the 460, I think about my 430 and how much I loved it. I don't know how to describe it, I jus felt like I moved up in years, I haven't been super excited/ don't feel like wow I got an upgrade. I have even considered getting a 430 to have as a second car daily driver and keep the 460 for weekends and such.

yoitskenn

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even trade for the 460?.....i'd do it in a heart beat. My sister has the 460 and i drive it here and there. Lots of power. The suspension is not as smooth. But it looks so much nicer. The only problem she had so far is the starter....which i believe was a 900 job.

jainla

This has indeed been discussed to death in this (and the 460) forum. The 2007 has a couple minor issues (search and yee shall find; including my treatise on this in a couple threads) but none are really show stoppers and maybe can be used to get some cash (or repairs) out of the deal. As someone who drives both regularly I can say the 460 is not a huge upgrade if you are used to the 430.

The 460/600:

• newer cabin tech
• more rear legroom (in the L models)
• more power (if you wind the engine out)
• more modern styling
• better handling

The 430:

• quieter and smoother (in ride and noise)
• easier to park
• more headroom
• better visibility
• slightly higher quality materials
• much bigger trunk

You have to drive both and decide if it's worth it; if it's an equal exchange then that factors in. 2 years ago i decided that the 460 was not worth having a car payment over my (paid for) 430; but I changed my mind when a hybrid crossed my path.

You can't go wrong either way.

JffGRY706

I would want a car made for that region, not a car imported from the U.S.A. that will not go over 130 mph. what good does another 100 horsepower do you if you cannot go very fast. the 430 is fast enough for Japan, but in Texas you sometimes have to go along way. 350 miles to Dallas, 400 miles to San Antonio and over 500 miles to the beach.

tradosauru

I'm confused at your post. I'm from East Texas and the Lexus LS430 is still the best car I've ever owned. How fast do you need to go? 75 mph is the speed limit on interstates and the LS430 easily cruises at this speed..

Duck05

We have both.

Maybe a newer 460 ('13 plus) but a 430 for an '07 460??? no way....

Stay with the 430.....

grunner58

I have been told on several occasions at Lexus dealers when they see my LS430 I get: "They don't build them that way any more."
But TIME has its place when it comes to plastics and rubber components. They decompose at a rate far greater than metal.
My 2004 Ls430 is getting a lot of rubber and plastic failures and it was built in October 2003.
Spent the evenings in the garage and on and off in a covered garage.
I point this out because rubber and plastic are especially affected by temperature, UV, and simple time.
And plastic and rubber make up the true repair costs on a car. Gaskets, belts, reservoirs, bushings, etc are all made out of these components.
My advise is to check the date of manufacture of the LS460. You must get at least 5 years for that LS460 over the LS430 or walk away!

Fixman

I don't speed and by the way my 430 is a us import. Ther is wase around speed limiters. But I don't care for that.
Now dyes care belt for deferent region almost similar (not accounting for the options) ex. The difference between the us & gulf spect 430 radiator is the number of cores. The us have 1 gulf have 2. Vary simple and miner stuff. Other things like Mile or Kilometer, Fihernhit or Clicius. But evin this ther is a way around it.

Fixman

That is true. Time have a toll on care. Specially rubber & plastic and I live in a carry sunny hot climate.
The 460 is a vearry good care. Had some issues form the beginning but nothing meager. All fixable.
I don't have to diced now. But now one have givin me a strong reason not to. If you see the 400 or the 430 posts you will find a lot of this is not a good car (I say all Lexus is a pice of art engineering wise) just compare thim to equivalent car the Lexus is the cheapest and trouble free.

Junglequac

I went through the exact same quandary aside from the fact that I did not have any sort of LS at the time (had an LX). As I was spending in the upper range of what 430's sell for, there were multiple 460's available for all intents and purposes, the same price.

In my scenario, it just so happened that my brother owned a 2005 Ultra Luxury 430 that is an honest and true 9/10 with a complete Lexus service history. This history included having the front air shocks replaced with the updated units, timing belt, water pump, and more.

My brother once managed a body shop at a Mercedes-Benz dealership and has worked in the auto industry since he was 15. Needless to say, he is beyond fastidious when it comes to what he purchases. As he got a job as a insurance adjuster for Allstate, he got a company car and thus no longer needed the 430. That said, he was not actively pursuing selling it as he had spent 2 years searching for a UL that met his standards.

At the price he wanted, there were 4 or 5 2007 LS460's I could have purchased. All had more miles than his 430 and none had anything approximating the service history of his car as well. Still, the 460 is a mighty tempting proposition and I am quite fond of their appearance.

The more I researched (a major tip of the hat to CL), the more misgivings I had about the 460. What finally sealed my decision was talking to multiple employees at my local Lexus dealer.

As 3 out of my 4 parent/stepparents have purchased over a dozen new Lexii and I had spent thousands on maintenance on my LX470, they were infinitely patient in terms of running VIN's of 460's that I found. While nothing utterly horrifying showed up, certainly did not compare to the 430. Moreover, 4 of the Service Advisors drive LS430's and all of them were unanimous in their belief that the 430 boasted superior build quality.

Provided you get a well serviced 460, this truly is a can't lose situation. Simply put, they are both exceptional vehicles. I will only say that I am loving my 430 more and more with each passing day and could not possibly be happier with my decision.

hyperopt

The body shape of the LS430 looked hideous the first time I saw it in 2001 and now it still looks bad after owning it. I tried my best to like it but still no joy. If you are fond with the look of the LS460, that is good enough reason to dump the LS430. The LS460 is a good car by any standard of measure.

Bob04

I traded my 2004 LS430 for a 2010LS460L. Absolutely horrendous experience. Didn't even keep it a year before I traded back to another low mileage 430. Never regretted it, not for even one second.

There is no way in 40 hells that I would own a 460 outside of warranty. Mine stayed in the shop, once with the engine being completely pulled out of the car. Someone had to fly in to work on it. I can't imagine what it would have cost if it wasn't a CPO car.

Ask your Lexus techs at the nearest dealership. I've asked a multiple dealerships, and every single one said that the 430 is bulletproof and the 460 is problematic.

Doublebase

I have an 07 LS460 and the car has been more reliable than my old Honda Accord. I drive it somewhere around 600 miles a week...as long as the recalls have been done, and the control arms?? It's pretty damn reliable.

I actually have spent more money fixing my mountain bike over the last three years than my LS460.

133,000 miles and the only thing I've replaced is a wheel bearing and control arms...not one check engine light, not one electrical problem, not one single leak, not one single misfire or engine performance issue...just oil changes and basic maintenance (hopefully I didn't just jinx myself).

I understand that the LS430 is a pretty amazingly reliable vehicle too, so I think it comes down to preference. I will say that both cars - if they do break down - are expensive to fix because the parts are pretty damn expensive for certain things. And I'd say the 460 has probably more of those things that are expensive to replace.